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Recon rebalancing?
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Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#1 - 2014-08-28 18:01:34 UTC
During the last Fanfest stream, I heard someone mention in passing a rebalance of Recon ships might be in the works, and at one point the Pilgrim was specifically mentioned.

Anyone recall what exactly was said, and was there a timeframe for it?


\m/ O.o \m/

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-08-28 18:14:11 UTC
Posting in yet another, "Hey, they told us at Fanfest..." thread.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#3 - 2014-08-28 18:23:31 UTC
SEE HOW MEAN THE PEOPLE THAT PLAY THIS GAME ARE?!?!?!

\m/ O.o \m/

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Arla Sarain
#4 - 2014-08-28 18:24:31 UTC
Atron redesign


Redesign the slasher whilst you are it.
Catherine Frasier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-08-28 19:03:09 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
at one point the Pilgrim was specifically mentioned.

Yes, a Pilgrim buff would be welcome.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2014-08-28 20:25:36 UTC
please god rebalance recons, and soon.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-08-28 20:32:09 UTC
All I see left on the list for sub-caps is blops, recons, and T3s. So either way this **** gon b gud.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#8 - 2014-08-29 00:06:22 UTC
I am filled with hope by the thought that maybe some day my recon ships will be able to cross the widest systems in a single warp.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2014-08-29 00:07:33 UTC
I came expecting Falcon tears.

Leaving disappointed. Sad

Bacon makes us stronger
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-08-29 00:31:29 UTC
I agree with the OP, Recons need to be updated.

Hopefully the rebalance to Recons is a buff and not the usual nerf that CCP loves to do.

Another high slot / Turret hardpoint on the Rapier would be good.



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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#11 - 2014-08-29 00:33:43 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
During the last Fanfest stream, I heard someone mention in passing a rebalance of Recon ships might be in the works, and at one point the Pilgrim was specifically mentioned.

Anyone recall what exactly was said, and was there a timeframe for it?




I also recall the Pilgrim being mentioned, and as a result I bought like fifteen of them...

But hopefully each and every one of them gets between an 8-10k tank increase, they are fine ships in principle if they weren't made of tissue paper.

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Colitina
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-08-29 01:50:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Colitina
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
During the last Fanfest stream, I heard someone mention in passing a rebalance of Recon ships might be in the works, and at one point the Pilgrim was specifically mentioned.

Anyone recall what exactly was said, and was there a timeframe for it?




I also recall the Pilgrim being mentioned, and as a result I bought like fifteen of them...

But hopefully each and every one of them gets between an 8-10k tank increase, they are fine ships in principle if they weren't made of tissue paper.

For solo use that would be fine as you need to sacrifice lows for drone damage mods, but might be a bit OP for fleet use

[Pilgrim, Fleet]

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
2x Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

3x Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I (Tracking Speed Disruption Script)
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
10MN Afterburner II

Armor Thermic Hardener II
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II

2x Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

1x Gecko



56 000 EHP, 76% average resist, without imps or links
69 000 EHP, 79% average resist, with links
108 000 EHP, 79% average resist, with links and slaves
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-08-29 01:58:10 UTC
Rowells wrote:
All I see left on the list for sub-caps is blops, recons, and T3s. So either way this **** gon b gud.


Logistics and HICs haven't been done either.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2014-08-29 07:29:34 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
I came expecting Falcon tears.

Leaving disappointed. Sad


No, you'll find those in the thread on ganking.


Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Anyone recall what exactly was said, and was there a timeframe for it?


Exactly the opposite of how you invested, and just long enough out for you to lose your shirt waiting.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-08-29 10:27:16 UTC
Does that count as Force Recon balancing ?

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-08-29 10:30:10 UTC
Catherine Frasier wrote:
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
at one point the Pilgrim was specifically mentioned.

Yes, a Pilgrim buff would be welcome.



not as much as a huggin retaskign to a missile boat as the bellicose. SPLIT WEAPONS TO THE HELLLL

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-08-29 10:34:54 UTC
Blops first Blink

No Worries
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#18 - 2014-08-29 11:41:52 UTC
Rowells wrote:
All I see left on the list for sub-caps is blops, recons, and T3s. So either way this **** gon b gud.


Calling it now: T3's getting a huge nerfbat in the EHP department. Loki will get a slot rebalance on it's E-War Sub.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2014-08-29 11:54:41 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Rowells wrote:
All I see left on the list for sub-caps is blops, recons, and T3s. So either way this **** gon b gud.


Calling it now: T3's getting a huge nerfbat in the EHP department. Loki will get a slot rebalance on it's E-War Sub.


Well....then the prices will go down and noone will build them anymore...

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2014-08-29 15:42:22 UTC
Price of T3s are already so low that its easy for an entire alliance to outfit their line members with them. And they still need a huge EHP nerf. Cruisers with 2-300k EHP is utterly insane and beyond unbalanced. As is the sheer number of bonuses they get.

Recons are in a sorry state due to recent rebalances that have reduced their effectiveness. Force recons are always useful because covert cloak. But the Falcon and Pilgrim are pretty much pointless now because of crap range. Arazu and Rapier are of course still viable because their EWAR is webs and warp disruption/scram.

Combat recons are relic of the past. They almost never get used any more because their combat effectiveness is so bad. Literally no point in bringing one because they just die. At least the Curse can neut someone out at range. But if the Pilgrim gets a neut range bonus, it will completely deprecate the Curse.

Oh, yes. Did I forget to mention that with T3s you get everything a recon can do with about 10x the tank at only a modest increase in cost?

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