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What were people wanting from Burner missions?
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-08-28 22:28:21 UTC
Running lvl4s in a battleship......dogfights in a frigate.

I can see how the latter would appeal to the former.
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#22 - 2014-08-28 22:36:00 UTC
A PVP experience included in a PVe one. I hope this kind of mission pave the way of the future of Pve in Eve with more dynamic content that you can't predict by browsing a website.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-08-28 22:41:12 UTC
Karl Jerr wrote:
A PVP experience included in a PVe one. I hope this kind of mission pave the way of the future of Pve in Eve with more dynamic content that you can't predict by browsing a website.


When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#24 - 2014-08-28 22:44:36 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?


I'm sorry I misused this word, I wanted to say as a feeling not really an experience.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-08-28 23:10:51 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Karl Jerr wrote:
A PVP experience included in a PVe one. I hope this kind of mission pave the way of the future of Pve in Eve with more dynamic content that you can't predict by browsing a website.


When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?

Have you looked at the incursion community recently?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-08-28 23:18:35 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
Karl Jerr wrote:
A PVP experience included in a PVe one. I hope this kind of mission pave the way of the future of Pve in Eve with more dynamic content that you can't predict by browsing a website.


When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?

Have you looked at the incursion community recently?



Did you read what was written?

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Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-08-29 00:16:57 UTC
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Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-08-29 00:33:40 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Karl Jerr wrote:
A PVP experience included in a PVe one. I hope this kind of mission pave the way of the future of Pve in Eve with more dynamic content that you can't predict by browsing a website.


When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?



Devils Warriors could answer that better than I could.
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-08-29 01:00:04 UTC
All this frig talk makes me think frigs will be nerfed into the ground soon.
Colitina
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-08-29 01:29:09 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Otuk Andven wrote:

So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?


Same as always: All the things, with little :effort:

Most players are upset they can't do these things with 6 accounts at once.




While AFK in their backyard.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-08-29 01:30:00 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Karl Jerr wrote:
A PVP experience included in a PVe one. I hope this kind of mission pave the way of the future of Pve in Eve with more dynamic content that you can't predict by browsing a website.


When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?




Probably since blueballing and station spining hasn't been marketable.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-08-29 01:32:01 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Karl Jerr wrote:
A PVP experience included in a PVe one. I hope this kind of mission pave the way of the future of Pve in Eve with more dynamic content that you can't predict by browsing a website.


When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?




The moment you log onto EVE, you log onto a PVP experience.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-08-29 08:07:35 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
they might want to stop doing things like station games.


but they might lose the fight if they stopped doing that.


Sentamon wrote:
they might want to stop doing things like gateganking noobs in industrials.


but it's the only "fight" they know they can win.


Sentamon wrote:
they might want to stop doing things like hotdropping 2 guys with 20 ships.


but they might lose the fight if they stopped doing that.
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-08-29 08:11:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Starkey
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Otuk Andven wrote:
So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.

So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?



Who says they failed? You do, 2 days in? A few forum trolls? Lol.

Fact is, they are an interesting addition to high sec, and for that I applaud CCP. They are difficult to fight solo, but easy with a friend. And THAT is their primary function - not to get people to do PvP - but to get them to team up and cooperate.

And CCP should do more of these 'co-operative' missions/quests. Many more.



Pretty much this. I've seen a few of my friends teaming up to complete them, even if the rewards suck they have a blast doing that - people teaming up to have fun in PVE is an achievement I never thought possible in this game. They really filled a void in this game for non PVP play. Fozzie stated a few times they have nothing to do with pvp, I dunno why people keep complaining about that.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#35 - 2014-08-29 08:56:37 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Running lvl4s in a battleship......dogfights in a frigate.

I can see how the latter would appeal to the former.


You might be surprised. I did the whole lvl 4's in a battleship thing for ages... then I got bored and decided to see what I could pull off in a frigate as far as missions went. Level 3's in an assault frigate can be an absolute blast.
Sometimes a little variety can breathe some fresh life into something that's becoming stale and boring.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-08-29 08:57:47 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
Running lvl4s in a battleship......dogfights in a frigate.

I can see how the latter would appeal to the former.


You might be surprised. I did the whole lvl 4's in a battleship thing for ages... then I got bored and decided to see what I could pull off in a frigate as far as missions went. Level 3's in an assault frigate can be an absolute blast.
Sometimes a little variety can breathe some fresh life into something that's becoming stale and boring.


Don't confuse the simple people.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#37 - 2014-08-29 09:00:24 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
Running lvl4s in a battleship......dogfights in a frigate.

I can see how the latter would appeal to the former.


You might be surprised. I did the whole lvl 4's in a battleship thing for ages... then I got bored and decided to see what I could pull off in a frigate as far as missions went. Level 3's in an assault frigate can be an absolute blast.
Sometimes a little variety can breathe some fresh life into something that's becoming stale and boring.


You should try 3/10s and 4/10s in a Kestrel

That's a rush

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Prince Kobol
#38 - 2014-08-29 09:06:12 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.



That is because they really didn't want either of those things. What they really wanted was missions that paid more isk + lp and dropped cool shiny loot.
Prince Kobol
#39 - 2014-08-29 09:07:27 UTC
Just to add, if people want a PvP experience there is a very easy way to do this.. leave High Sec
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#40 - 2014-08-29 09:10:48 UTC
There's plenty of PVP to be had in high sec, no need to leave.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.