EVE General Discussion

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Not something I've noticed personally.

What do you mean by arena style pvp?

as if FW plexes are not CTF-like...

Also, some justification for pvp besides killmails >,>

those situations already exist. not everything is a n+1 cap blob fight, there's lots of tactically heavy small gang skirmishing happening, esp in lowsec and fw, and tactics can matter a lot in a gang fight esp if people are flying in faster moving gangs where actually flying your ship is required (as opposed to many armor comps that are just 'get on zero and press f1'

and there is plenty of PVP that occurs for more than just killmails, poco/pos/sov warfare, specifically.

me thinks you need to explore PVP a little deeper, you seem to be making an aweful lot of assumptions and generalizations.

Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people just find the KMs fun.

I like to both solo roam and fleet roam.

Each has it's appeal. On the fleet end, I can almost see where you are coming from, though I don't have experience in large fleet combat. In small gang fights, decisions about engaging or running are often made based off d-scan results and the decision to engage is made generally because there is a chance to win. Where the variety comes in, in my experience is in how risk averse the FC is (so what percentage of chance the FC feels is ok to engage an opponent). We generally work on a 50:50 chance; and that opens up a lot of good fights, even where we lose.

On the solo side, I find it to have a lot of varierty, totally determined by my own level of risk aversion. If you fly around looking only for the fights you'll win, then I'd agree that it becomes a little bland. Most of the time I try to engage as much as possible and that's where those exact aspects of thinking through the situation become important. In that respect, it's very un-arena like.

I do agree with you on the limiting aspect of killboards. I think that contributes to some people's decision making.

That already exist. That is what we do when we fight other armed groups . We do nto fight only other armed groupsd.. we hunt missiosn runners as well for the shiny loot. But we usually fight other combat forces outnumberign us a by a LOT. And always win.. by using brains.

This is the kind of answer i wanted to see, but i was thinking specifically about the number of ways one engages the enemy (turrets, neuts, webs, scrams, ecm, cloaks... thats it? especially attacks that are so easily identified, wouldnt it be more interesting to be attacked by something youve never seen or heard of before?)

Sure, but I guess there are a couple of points to that:

First is just the practical aspect that there are only so many tools CCP can provide to us and in general, as a community we are very good at optimising things quickly so it becomes predictable what an opponents fit will most likely look like as soon as we see the hull type on dscan.

Secondly though, I'm finding that pvp has a lot more depth and subtlety to it than the simple mechanics of the game. That comes back in part to your original question about thinking tactically, combined with taking control of everything in a fight (see next paragraph).

By that I mean, CCP provide simple tools to fight - keep at range, orbit, group weapons and F1, turn everything on and hammer as hard as possible until you win or run out of cap - it's kind of the place I started in when I first began to pvp. It was new enough then that using those inbuilt tools and simple approach was still interesting. As I've gained more experience though, a lot of decisions have become reflex, but that's opened me up to doing away with those basic tools and thinking and acting more based on knowledge.

Manual flying, good cap management through cycling modules, thinking about the underlying aspects that reduce incoming damage, ammo selection, trying to control the range in the fight and reacting to my opponent having control - these add way more depth to pvp than the game appears to offer. They also vary each fight, so there is a lot of combinations and information to process if you want to.

I don't want to overstate it. A fight can be as simple as get in, wham, bham, thank you maam. I certainly do that at times.

But other times, when I'm concentrating and so is the opponent, the 'gf' in local really means something.

All indications point to no. Or yes... It seems to change when I shake this thing.

/4chan? Really?!