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PLEX - the best or worst thing to happen to EVE?
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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-08-28 14:07:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Grimpak wrote:


/sarcasm ON

because everybody's so pure here.


and of course, sibyyl, it's 60 accounts in one guy! I mean, look at the ammount of isk being made there! it's insane! [one people] buying 60 plexes by [himself], it must be some kind of cheat!


/sarcasm OFF


OH GODS I FELT MY BRAIN CELLS DYING THERE.


With you mixing singular and plurar it made my head hurt as well.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-08-28 14:10:46 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Ptraci wrote:

Those 8 billion you put in today for 10 PLEX will get you hey I don't know - for argument's sake 26 billion in 3 years when you sell them at 2.6B apiece which is what their market price will probably be. Oh the price of everything will have gone up by almost 3, but your money will have been "safe" and you won't have lost any value. This isn't really a problem.




No I'm sorry, EVE is dying.. and at this rate there won't be a Jita left to redeem anyone's PLEX stockpile. It's probably better if PLEX is sold immediately while CCP is still limping along.


Edit: Linking to dubba dubba dot dot eve-offline.gov for declining users data. Number of users hit negative numbers recently, so there were -122 players logged into TQ on average last 6 months.


TQ looks pretty healthy to me



You sure.. maybe you want to look at the graphs more closely.

I will give you hint.. All time weekly graph


I believe he was talking about the server health box.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#23 - 2014-08-28 14:11:19 UTC
Did anybody ever try for 200 accounts? I know 100 accounts has been done already, but I was wondering if 200 has been hit yet. My puter will play 50 just fine, and 75 if i tone down the graphics just a smidge, but to hit 200 would definitely take moar hardware.

If I find that 200 has been done, then maybe 300?

hmmmm.

.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-08-28 14:11:27 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Grimpak wrote:


/sarcasm ON

because everybody's so pure here.


and of course, sibyyl, it's 60 accounts in one guy! I mean, look at the ammount of isk being made there! it's insane! [one people] buying 60 plexes by [himself], it must be some kind of cheat!


/sarcasm OFF


OH GODS I FELT MY BRAIN CELLS DYING THERE.


With you mixing singular and plurar it made my head hurt as well.



Adrie Atticus wrote:


You should make an alt called "Lurpak", no?

Because that post is smooth as, well, Lurpak.


then, I guess my post was a success \o\

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-08-28 14:12:44 UTC
Issue #1: Plex isn't only for veterans. I bought my first plex within 2 months of playing haven't paid RL cash for my account since. Having decent connections helps, but really anyone could do it within a few months if they research how to earn isk. Most people are just too lazy

Issue #2: Highsec ganking doesn't target just noobs, it targets everyone in highsec. On of my corp mates got ganked the other day and he's been playing for 3 years.

So there goes your argument that plex is only for veterans and that highsec ganking only hits noobs.

And as a final statement, if a person can't handle getting ganked once in a while, this REALLY isn't the game for them. Also, not everyone is risk averse. Some of us see this as a game to be played for fun and will happily get blown up for said fun. Pro tip: don't treat your ship like your girlfriend, treat it like your favorite hammer. You can take great care of it, but at some point it'll break and you'll have to replace it.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#26 - 2014-08-28 14:16:12 UTC
PLEX is the reason I'm still playing. Mining.....PvE......they suck so much and pay so little(nullsec PvE is an exception on the pay part but then you have to play in middle manager space and screw those guys).

Without PLEX I'd have no isk and I'd be playing something else.

Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-08-28 14:16:41 UTC
Leoric Firesword wrote:
don't treat your ship like your girlfriend, treat it like your favorite hammer. You can take great care of it, but at some point it'll break and you'll have to replace it.



that one's so good, I'll forgive you using the "pro tip" thingy.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Posting With Alt
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-08-28 14:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Posting With Alt
Sibyyl wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Double edged sword. It dealt a serious blow to RMT profitability. But it also enabled everyone and their dog to have 50 accounts as long as you made enough money to PLEX them all.

We basically went from RMT botters to PLEX multibox fleets and I'm not entirely sure which one is worse.


Could you explain to me the difference between a single account earning ISK for 1 PLEX vs. 60 accounts earning ISK for 60 PLEX? I didn't realize that adding an account has an exponential effect on ISK earned.

Please clarify.


Boosters.

Mining boosts for mining multi-boxers and combat boosts for ratters/missioners, etc. If you can already earn 1 PLEX/account without boosters, then adding a booster and more accounts generates extra ISK and therefore increases the overall gain of extra ISK the more accounts you add after that through increased efficiency.

Not whining about it, but yeah; multi-boxing with boosters actually does become more efficient and thus does generate more money for the boxer and, in the case of ratters; more ISK printing and increased inflation.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#29 - 2014-08-28 14:26:31 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Ptraci wrote:

Those 8 billion you put in today for 10 PLEX will get you hey I don't know - for argument's sake 26 billion in 3 years when you sell them at 2.6B apiece which is what their market price will probably be. Oh the price of everything will have gone up by almost 3, but your money will have been "safe" and you won't have lost any value. This isn't really a problem.




No I'm sorry, EVE is dying.. and at this rate there won't be a Jita left to redeem anyone's PLEX stockpile. It's probably better if PLEX is sold immediately while CCP is still limping along.


Edit: Linking to dubba dubba dot dot eve-offline.gov for declining users data. Number of users hit negative numbers recently, so there were -122 players logged into TQ on average last 6 months.


TQ looks pretty healthy to me



You sure.. maybe you want to look at the graphs more closely.

I will give you hint.. All time weekly graph


I believe he was talking about the server health box.


^ this Blink

Though, yeah, this year's "end of August dip" does seem a bit more extreme than in previous yearsWhat?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#30 - 2014-08-28 14:28:02 UTC
Op good one...

You will have more luck to say to random heroin junky to quit using though.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Prince Kobol
#31 - 2014-08-28 14:28:31 UTC
Velicitia wrote:


Though, yeah, this year's "end of August dip" does seem a bit more extreme than in previous yearsWhat?


Fair enough, but unfortunately the dip started long before August.
Solecist Project
#32 - 2014-08-28 14:29:00 UTC
Sibyyl ... you really sound more aggressive when I read through these quotes.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-08-28 14:29:57 UTC

I saw two squirrels dive off a tree in a fight to the death. All the signs are there.


In the 12th year, the mark of the beast (I mean the squirrels) will be spotted, and a great plague shall be visited upon the evil at Jita. Eve is dying.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-08-28 14:31:40 UTC
Posting With Alt wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Double edged sword. It dealt a serious blow to RMT profitability. But it also enabled everyone and their dog to have 50 accounts as long as you made enough money to PLEX them all.

We basically went from RMT botters to PLEX multibox fleets and I'm not entirely sure which one is worse.


Could you explain to me the difference between a single account earning ISK for 1 PLEX vs. 60 accounts earning ISK for 60 PLEX? I didn't realize that adding an account has an exponential effect on ISK earned.

Please clarify.


Boosters.

Mining boosts for mining multi-boxers and combat boosts for ratters/missioners, etc. If you can already earn 1 PLEX/account without boosters, then adding a booster and more accounts generates extra ISK and therefore increases the overall gain of extra ISK the more accounts you add after that through increased efficiency.

Not whining about it, but yeah; multi-boxing with boosters actually does become more efficient and thus does generate more money for the boxer and, in the case of ratters; more ISK printing and increased inflation.


Show me a mining fleet with no multiboxers and no boosts. All proper operations have Rorquals in a POS.

Stop being thick.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#35 - 2014-08-28 14:32:08 UTC
Hicksimus wrote:
PLEX is the reason I'm still playing. Mining.....PvE......they suck so much and pay so little(nullsec PvE is an exception on the pay part but then you have to play in middle manager space and screw those guys).

Without PLEX I'd have no isk and I'd be playing something else.


https://www.google.com/search?q=isk+making+guide&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb

This post proves that the 'problem' tends to be the lack of creativity on the part of the players, not a problem with the game. for instance, everyone 'knows' that low sec lvl 4 missions aren't worth doing, right? Well, someone didn't tell this guy who is doing them with cheap ships. 300 mil an hour puts a PLEX in your hand sin less than 3 hours.

720 hours of game time for 3 hours work is a good trade, no?
Posting With Alt
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-08-28 14:36:08 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:


Show me a mining fleet with no multiboxers and no boosts. All proper operations have Rorquals in a POS.

Stop being thick.


I'm sorry.

What are you raging at again?
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#37 - 2014-08-28 14:41:31 UTC
There was a legal way to sell your GTCs before they added PLEX...
Solecist Project
#38 - 2014-08-28 15:17:41 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
There was a legal way to sell your GTCs before they added PLEX...

Hey Hengle... we need to gank us a few billion ISK!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#39 - 2014-08-28 15:17:48 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Edit: Linking to dubba dubba dot dot eve-offline.gov for declining users data. Number of users hit negative numbers recently, so there were -122 players logged into TQ on average last 6 months.


The NPC's are logging into Real Life. CCP has created a monster.

Profit favors the prepared
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#40 - 2014-08-28 15:41:52 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Show me a mining fleet with no multiboxers and no boosts. All proper operations have Rorquals in a POS.

Stop being thick.

This is the point where highsec miners rebel

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