EVE General Discussion

I think the dodge haters in LoL and ECM haters in EVE have, (well for lack of a more polite term), they have same lack of mental ability. Dodge had a counter in LoL, it was called sword of the divine. It meant that your attacks couldn't be dodged. It was cheap and usually meant victory over the dodged based champion in LoL. Even as the most auto attack dependent champion. ECM has several counters and you people just want it removed/nerfed because you can't comprehend how to counter it. Here's how:


Any sniper ship with a 100km range. You shoot them from outside their jam range and watch them either explode or be forced off the field. Problem. Solved. My naga/cerb has forced so, so many falcons, rooks, and blackbirds (even up to 6-7 at one time) off the field I just laugh at it.

ECM (what a surprise you can use it too!)

ECCM

Sensor Damps



Rather than dumb down the game, adapt or die. This is EVE's law. If you're fighting against someone where you think a single attack (such as a dodge) missing is the difference between victory and defeat you're doing it wrong. If you're not planning and calculating your fights, then you're relying on chance to win, and the irony of when you lose to the random chance that you got jammed or your attack was dodged is just hilarious. Complaining about ECM is like someone complaining that weapons do too much damage so they should just remove all weaponry from the game because it blows them up.

What?

Being lucky is part of being a good commander, ask Julius Caesar. So randomness should be part of EVE, as it is in life. If you want to go play LoL though, go right ahead.

Back when ECM wasn't random and was simply stacked till you outdid the target's sensor str ppl whined as well. I guess this is more of a "they brought more folks and use more extensive tactics than we did, this is unfair. Everyone should play like we do so we can pwn them easily".

i totally agree with op, tho it shouldnt affect science, such as invention or drops from rats n like. Only electronic warfare..

im sorry but even if i ignore the fact that most of your kills have 20 or more people on the mails (meaning you have absolutely no experience in the matter actually being discussed - the effect of ecm on small scale pvp) i just looked through your last 15 ship losses on battleclinic and not a single one of them was fit correctly.

cap recharge scimi eccm rcu rook cap injecting cynabal drone link 2 nano no dcu drake this list is really too painful to continue writing. so as for your ridiculous quote " lack of mental ability" you have at best what i would describe as a vague understanding of ship fitting and roles in eve, so please refrain from talking down to the rest of us (who are actually way ahead of you).

so you will excuse me if i dont agree that youve figured out the game with your cerb thats splitting its missile spam on 7 different falcons at once and somehow forcing them off the field (assuming for a second you havnt got 50 other people with you which we both know is unlikely) or some other insane claim you might come up with.



ps. if you send me your api i will create usable fits for you so that next time you want to pretend you arnt bad at this game itll actually come off as remotely plausible.

As I said, you can easily overtank your falcon with 1600mm plate and then it won't die that easily.

I have done my math with the stacking penelties being 100% for 1, 87% for 2, and 54% for 3 of any module. I do not have these written down anywhere, so my memory could be wrong and they may be slightly different. However, if I am wrong, the percentages would only change 1 or 2%.

This would be a valid argument if ECCM were viable, however it is not due to:

1) Not reliable, a single well skilled falcon can still lock out a couple of ECCM'd battleships quite effectively.

2) A lot of ships simply do not have the spare mid available for ECCM, or end up sacrificing something crucial to fit it (geddon for example - mwd+point+cap booster, shield tanker's are particularly hit).

3) It has no other purpose in combat aside from countering ECM, every other EW counter has an actual combat use aside from countering that EW. (sebo - lock time/range vs damps, tracking computer/enhancer - tracking/turret range vs td's, cap booster - boosting your cap! vs neuts). ECCM makes you very slightly harder to probe out which probably isn't a huge concern when you're actually involved in combat.

Even if you can fit ECM, which most sub-BS ships simply cannot without drastically gimping their setup (and even if they do most of the tech 1 variety do not have a sig strength strong enough for the ECCM to greatly help anyway), if you do get jammed you still have to relock whatever target you're focusing after the jam wears off, in the case of you flying a battleship that can be over 10 seconds during which time a new cycle is coming up anyway.

Also, as has been mentioned elsewhere with every other sort of EW there is some way to at least attempt to counter it / be useful in the fight; still being able to shoot is a big one, burning at a damping ship, changing transversal against TDs through manual piloting, smart use of cap boosters vs neuts. Against ECM you can only hope to burn away either forcing them to burn after you and cap out or getting out of jam range (even now a fully skilled falcon pilot rigging for range can still jam fairly consistently over 100km).

Finally ECM doesn't suffer from stacking penalties, unlike every other EW module.

There is a lot wrong with ECM/ECCM and if you don't think so then it would appear you're quite happy to just stick you fingers in your ears singing lalalala, which for all intents and purposes is exactly what you're doing.

Could you just make Jam 100% chance to proc, but tweak the cycle time and jam duration to give the same amount of uptime as now, while removing the randomness?

ECCM just becomes a flat jam duration reduction.

Bam, problem solved.