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Where did the Hyperion Real Talk thread go?

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Naglerr
235MeV
#1 - 2014-08-27 18:30:21 UTC
There was many good discussions being had in that thread but it appears it was deleted after being created by ISD. Anyone know what happened?
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#2 - 2014-08-27 18:32:11 UTC
Wow yup its gone. I just posted in it like 20 mins ago too Shocked
CivilWars
Half Empty
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#3 - 2014-08-27 18:32:14 UTC
Guess things got a little too real. I lost some likes too. Thanks CCP.

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Naglerr
235MeV
#4 - 2014-08-27 18:32:25 UTC
Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-08-27 18:32:29 UTC
A new hight of bloody stupidity.

Hi we know you hate this **** but here is a pr thread.

"F*ck they still hate it" - Deletes thread....
Naglerr
235MeV
#6 - 2014-08-27 18:33:50 UTC
To finish our discussion CivilWars, I enjoy a good fight but only enjoy being on the ganking side of a gank.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#7 - 2014-08-27 18:35:48 UTC
Naglerr wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4958738 <-- link to the thread


404 P
Naglerr
235MeV
#8 - 2014-08-27 18:37:58 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Naglerr wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4958738 <-- link to the thread


404 P


If only collapsing holes was this easy ingame...
Talaq
Failure is an Option
#9 - 2014-08-27 18:39:26 UTC
Ironic that it's gone, if anything it was quite a civil discussion, on why we wont get feedback on a thread they ask us to give feedback on.

so did the ISD get dev flak? or just didn't want to answer when we would actually get normal feedback?

Low-Class Diplomat

Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#10 - 2014-08-27 18:41:42 UTC
Its almost like CCP needs a riot before responding Blink
Naglerr
235MeV
#11 - 2014-08-27 18:42:22 UTC
Talaq wrote:
Ironic that it's gone, if anything it was quite a civil discussion, on why we wont get feedback on a thread they ask us to give feedback on.



^Agreed. So let me ask the question for a third time: Can some ISD or Dev or anyone provide an estimate for when a Dev that was involved in the decision making process will be commenting on the voluminous feedback that was solicited in the many forum posts on wormhole changes?
CivilWars
Half Empty
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#12 - 2014-08-27 18:44:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CivilWars
Naglerr wrote:
To finish our discussion CivilWars, I enjoy a good fight but only enjoy being on the ganking side of a gank.

And I look at it as if I have no problem killing others in ways/positions they don't want to be killed in then how can I get mad when they do the same to me? I have been in many fights where one side showed maybe half their fleet, then once the other side was committed dropped the other half. It sucks when you are on the losing end, but it is also kinda hard to complain if you have done it to others.

In regards to risk/reward w-space is some of the most lucrative for PVE, and when done right offers a wide variety of PVP. If that isn't enough to draw people in then I doubt jump spawn mechanics will have any impact on their decision.

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Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-08-27 18:44:43 UTC
So.

CCP

Just to Re-iterate

We do not like the changes.

You created FEEDBACK threads - Which you did not listen to.

You created post patch feedback threads after not listening to the original feed back and deploying **** that your paying customers stated that they do not want. - Then deleted the thread when we said WE STILL DONT WANT THIS ****.

Your development lifecycle is a complete failure. Cx asks for a swing and end up with --> CCP - We Nailed it
Naglerr
235MeV
#14 - 2014-08-27 18:45:36 UTC
CivilWars wrote:
Naglerr wrote:
To finish our discussion CivilWars, I enjoy a good fight but only enjoy being on the ganking side of a gank.

And I look at it as if I have no problem killing others in ways/positions they don't want to be killed in then how can I get mad when they do the same to me? I have been in many fights where one side showed maybe half their fleet, then once the other side was committed dropped the other half. It sucks when you are on the losing end, but it is also kinda hard to complain if you have also done it to others.

In regards to risk/reward w-space is some of the most lucrative for PVE, and when done right offers a wide variety of PVP. If that isn't enough to draw people in then I doubt jump spawn mechanics will have any impact on their decision.


I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to avoid being on the receiving end where possible.
ArchAngael
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-08-27 18:47:21 UTC
What is funny (not funny) about it is that there are now about 5 locked threads that redirect you to the (nonexistent) feedback consolidation thread...

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Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-08-27 19:08:01 UTC
CCP answer the op's DAMN question!
Naglerr
235MeV
#17 - 2014-08-27 19:13:32 UTC
I felt the need to also ask my question here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4958941#post4958941

I wanted to make sure the Eve community at large is aware of how CCP is treating the wormhole community on this issue. Please feel free to comment there as well.
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-08-27 19:32:53 UTC
Inb4 this gets deleted.

This is a paste of my responds to that thread

Rek Seven wrote:
There was a town hall, which Fozzie attended, and some posts from Fozzie in the feedback threads. I'm i'm curious as to what comments you want...?

I'm all about complaining if i don't like something but i never forget who is being payed to design the game. Straight


I think the point is that the town hall was more of an attempt at damage control went sideways because wormholes are a passionate bunch that read between the line(a side effect or paranoia). Hence why people are asking for additional comments that might actually address the concerns directly and not in a round about way.

As far as your second comment but CCP has a long tracking record of making mistakes with their designs (pre incarna and post) something we have hoped was remedied by the CSM and a higher involvement between CCP and the players. Both of which seemed to have been in large portions ignored aside from additional number tweaking.

What I am curious about is what type of feedback would have changed CCPs mind about the mass based jump distance changes? considering in large part most of the feedback was negative while providing no incentive for new groups to move into wspace and simultaneously pushing some out of it.

This thread is redundant if you want feedback look over the thousands of replies to your original posts CCP
Winthorp
#19 - 2014-08-27 20:05:51 UTC
I guess when I asked why an ISD was starting a feedback thread and not a CCP Dev it hit a nerve.


Tiger Tesla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-08-27 20:09:18 UTC
Bronya Boga wrote:
Inb4 this gets deleted.


It's really sad to be part of a community now where CCP is so set on implementing the changes that the community tried, offered feedback on, and was basically ignored. It seems that CCP had already made up their mind about the changes, and were going to stick to them no matter what.

What did you want CCP? You asked for feedback, and I can't think of a way the wormhole community could have given more feedback.

And then INCURSION income gets buffed because of the slightly inconvenient situation of the Moms getting popped. Incentivising High Sec while deincentivising wormholes is just an insult.

And then you state that wormhole income is being looked at, with a possible buff to lower class wormhole income. Really glad you are deciding after this patch. There will be more empty wormholes for people to move into.

So far we have had a frigate wandering every day since patch. Are they interesting? Sure, a little. But it just ends up being another account on a hole.

The changes just require more players, more accounts, and ultimately less income(per account).

I really hope CCP rethinks some of these changes, because as it is I have already moved my corp out of our C4 and into higher class wormholes. I would hate to have to move us again to one of the more "supported" parts of space.
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