Warfare & Tactics

Ok the guy who:
1) Can never be seen in local without his booster alt
2) Posts videos on youtube where he brags about beating 3 frigates with his single frigate but leaves out that the fight was actually 1 frigate and a t3 cruiser versus 3 frigates
3) Actually argues that alts rabbit plexing is good for faction war
thinks I am crazy?

I’m fine with that.


Do you think most characters in faction war are mains? What percent of the 20,000 faction war characters are mains in your opinion?
You think most people in faction war are mains that care about who wins occupancy? Well gallente just swept occupancy in their entire front. Were there battles with thousands of thes caring fw characters participating?
What claim do you even disagree with?




I don’t whine about booster alts in every system. I think off grid boosting is a bad mechanic. Does that make me mentally unstable? I do like to fly solo kestrels so I will take whatever I have coming for that.
I suppose the only way to not be biased and bitter in your opinion is to agree that rabbit alt plexing is fine and pretend it doesn’t really effect the war zone. You think eliminating that would break faction war. Ok at least we have identified the root of our disagreement.
The players are not going to change. They will continue to play the mechanics to pursue their goals. If they want to win occupancy then under the current mechanics they will get alts out in plexes. This is what has been happening since before inferno see sasawong and sheltering sky, see flying hot pocket, Cynthia nezmor and now XG with his deplexing alt capturing 100 plexes in 2 weeks. Thinking players will suddenly start playing the same mechanics differently is not going to work. The problem really is the game not the players.


This is interesting. You think Amarr minmatar zone is broken because Amarr base out of faction war space. So what do you do? You force caldari out of faction war space.

Again the problem is the huge influence rabbit alt plexers have over the occupancy war. It is not the players it’s the game mechanics. Amarr and minmatar also likely have a larger percent of core vets so they know the silliness of the occupancy war. Caldari and gallente are new enough to drink the koolaid your are selling.




Wow you are really complaining about neutrals that want to pvp? As a pvper neutrals were often a godsend as otherwise I wouldn’t get half the fights.

You know there is a reason the more veteran and better equipped pvpers are not in faction war don’t you? It’s because faction war mechanics do not value their pvp skills. Think about it. Gallente just swept the front without the help of their best pvp corp. They did it with new players and lots and lots of alts.

If faction war were a game where a pvper where more valued than a plexing alt there would be more of those equipped and skilled pvpers in faction war. You wouldn’t have to run to ccps skirts to try to find protection from the good pvpers they would be in the militias.

Ok should there be a plex that allows BCs or BSes (or even caps but not supers) and down? Sure I am for it. Null sec entities do have access to much more resources. But not all of the low sec neutrals are null sec alliances. Many are just low sec pvpers who left faction war because faction war did not value their pvp skills.

LOL i quoted you saying it in my post

Normally I just ignore your dribble, but this one made me laugh and ask the question 'Who do you think the best PvP corp in gal mil is?'

As much smacktalk as flies between the militias, in all seriousness I'm glad that you all are taking a step back to reevaluate. I think I speak for the majority of GalMil when I say we want solid opponents to fight, and it seems like you all are taking the necessary time to sort yourselves out and come out swinging.

High performance groups are forged under pressure. We would have done you no favors had we taken things easily on you, and props to you all for recognizing that.

We look forward to seeing the resurgent and renewed Caldari militia to come.

Congrats to my one time Bros in Gal Mil !!!!!

Caldari guy said he couldn't get enough pilots in ships other than condors. Gallente say Caldari threw in the towel. I don't see any big controversy about what happened. Gallente pilots say they were lucky to get 40 guys in ships and Caldari apparently couldn't even match that.

My point is that when the militia have 20,000 active characters that seems like a sickly turnout for a war zone about to be completely taken. Do you have battle reports with even 10% of the militia showing up? That to me is the biggest takeaway from this event.

Is there even a dispute about this?


These are the posts I am reading from people who claim they were there I don't see any reason to reject it.

DJ comes in with the the inevitable psychobabble that the winning side always seems to come in with, about how they were just mentally tougher. And that is why they fought through the hard times. How does he know how mentally tough the caldari were? How does he know what attitudes they had?

On the other hand I am hearing gallente militia veterans saying doing this to squids was just like kicking puppys so they did not bother. If DJ has some good evidence to go against the majority of reports to support his theory that the war was not won simply because gallente could easily outblob the caldari then I am interested. But saying one night the gallente were a bit frustrated by the caldari is pretty weak sauce for that conclusion. Especially when we see many gallente were sitting on the sidelines.

Sorry I have seen this too many times in eve even dating back to when the Caldari stomped through war zone. I know enough about eve and faction war to know that one side is really not psychologically tougher than the other. Fcs just look at the ships they have on hand and the ships the enemy has and try to figure if they should take the fight. All this other stuff about attitudes and characters of the players is just crap.

But believe what you want.

You are right I have no skin in the gallente caldari warzone. So that makes me much more objective about it. I am just looking at some facts and drawing some conclusions.

Its also odd that you keep saying I am upset. There was nothing upsetting about huola. I took a few days off and got exactly what I expected. I didn't know if we would capture it or not but the pvp I got, was as expected. Neither better or worse than I thought it would be - no complaints and I would do it again if work was as it was then.

Instead of acting childish and calling me a crybaby because I disagree with you about the mechanics, why don't you look at some of the specific facts that I raise about faction war?

You claim rabbit alts are irrelevant but your going to keep your d-plexing alt all the same right?

What percent of the militias 20,000 characters do you think are main characters?

Wouldn't you think there would be bigger turnouts at some of these battles given the number of characters in militia and the ?300,000? accounts in eve?

If you agree the turn out was low, don't you think that suggests few people really care about occupancy?

Why do you think few people care about occupancy?

Honestly act like an adult and engage the issues instead of just name calling.

Another childish "look your upset" post. Just because someone writes allot about a topic they care about that does not mean they are upset.

I do care about eve and faction war. Eve is a great game, probably the best after chess. So I post about both. I never denied that. I don't really care that gallente won the last round. I really want to care about who wins the occupancy war, but its not happening with these mechanics. I am not the only one who finds it easy not to care about occupancy with these mechanics.

If you want to discuss the issues like an adult maybe answer some of the questions I offered in my last post. Who knows you might have something constructive to say other than a variation of your junior high retort of "why you so mad?"

Eh, I am not expecting that, but one can always hope.

If you write 'I don't care about (insert something here)' enough, argue about (same something) enough, then people are going to take that as overwhelming evidence that you care.

Then don't post in a "We win FW" thread. You're obviously bitter that Gallente rolled the warzone. There's no other explanation. Don't be mad. Be a good sport like the Caldari: give props to a well-earned victory, and then get back to fighting.