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Why the push to force people to work together?

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#101 - 2014-08-27 13:21:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
2/10

Nothing to see here.

5 pages rly.







Sigh make that a 6.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2014-08-27 14:42:20 UTC
OP the funny thing is because you posted this you are now on a lot of players hit list. You just came on a multiplayer games forums and said you don't like playing with other players. Bro your going to hate life soon I hope you don't afk in space in high sec because you just put a big target on your head. Good luck and Im glad im not one of your friends thats if you have any.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#103 - 2014-08-27 14:46:23 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:

2. You hit the nail on the head with alts. These will encourage the use of alt accounts. EVE is pay to win after all.


Or y'know you can just make friends.


Alts > real people in almost all PVE apart from incursions.

With real people the rewards are halved. With alts you get all rewards after the alt pays for itself. (In fact the alt is accruing value that can be sol on the bazaar later).


If you PLEX your accounts, then the reward is halved as well.


Only if you make < 2 PLEX a month, which you really shouldn't be. One decent DED site a month make it worthwhile.

If the alt is trained in AFKtar it can pay for itself while you pvp.

If you really enjoy real people rather than alts in PVE you should be hassling CCP to pull their finger out and do it right, because they aren't right now.


Not following your logic here.

3 PLEX per month, solo
1 PLEX = sub
2 PLEX (equivalent) = ship money, or whatever.

3 PLEX per month, alt
1 PLEX = sub1
1 PLEX = sub2
1/2 PLEX (equivalent) = ship money or whatever for the main
1/2 PLEX (equivalent) = ship money or whatever for the alt

3 PLEX per month, players
1 PLEX = you
1 PLEX = friend
1/2 PLEX = your "whatever" money
1/2 PLEX = your friend's "whatever" money


Although, I suppose you could argue that you could do a 75/25 (or higher) split with an alt (afterall, he only needs to replace ammo), but you're never going to actually hit a full "50% loss", as the alt will always require some of that "whatever" money in order to fund his activities (though you can come close enough wherein your calculator will likely round it).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#104 - 2014-08-27 15:06:58 UTC
Because CCP's marketing is sooooooo smart.
Torneach Structor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#105 - 2014-08-27 15:09:46 UTC
Wait, didn't OP have a thread a couple days ago saying that he hates people?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#106 - 2014-08-27 15:23:44 UTC
Torneach Structor wrote:
Wait, didn't OP have a thread a couple days ago saying that he hates people?


Yeah, but apparently EVERYONE else are sociopaths.

That actually made me chuckle

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Good Posting
Doomheim
#107 - 2014-08-27 16:03:24 UTC
It is true that ccp encourages teamwork and i think that is a good thing, but as a solo player i can tell you that i enjoy this game more than ever and i find it very rewarding.
I have two accounts. Sometimes i use both, sometimes i play with only one. All good.
Solecist Project
#108 - 2014-08-27 16:26:52 UTC
metalravenous wrote:
Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?

You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction by avoiding any sort of PVP and being smart about things. It just makes sense if you want to get the job done right that you do it yourself. People already have multiple accounts in order to avoid having to deal with corp thieves and griefers or even having to rely on others to light cynos for you.

Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing. Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.

CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun.
You don't even know what "PvP" means,
so you have no ground to have an opinion in the first place.

Someone kick that noob!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Good Posting
Doomheim
#109 - 2014-08-27 16:31:37 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
You don't even know what "PvP" means,
so you have no ground to have an opinion in the first place.

Someone kick that noob!


I know that killing capsules in high sec with suicide fits is pvp but... meh.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2014-08-27 16:35:56 UTC
metalravenous wrote:
Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?

You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction by avoiding any sort of PVP and being smart about things. It just makes sense if you want to get the job done right that you do it yourself. People already have multiple accounts in order to avoid having to deal with corp thieves and griefers or even having to rely on others to light cynos for you.

Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing. Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.

CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun.


Oh no!! You mean... there are other people playing this MMO and as a result, the game developers felt it prudent to deliver content that requires cooperative game play? I'M SHOCKED!!!

In all seriousness though, there is plenty of stuff you can do on your own in this game, but if you want to play on your own, don't expect anyone to hold your hand. Especially CCP. That would defeat the purpose of playing alone.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2014-08-27 16:46:57 UTC
metalravenous wrote:
Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?

You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction by avoiding any sort of PVP and being smart about things. It just makes sense if you want to get the job done right that you do it yourself. People already have multiple accounts in order to avoid having to deal with corp thieves and griefers or even having to rely on others to light cynos for you.

Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing. Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.

CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun.


You can have fun without playing with other people, and you can do a lot without playing with other people. I've been playing by myself a couple months now. CCP does support your ability to do that. However, to get the full experience you'll need help. There will be just some things you can't do by yourself. building supers is an example. You'll at least need a rental agreement that includes a defense obligation from your rental party to protect your SCAA when it inevitably gets reinforced.

But short of certain things, there's tons you can do by yourself. have at it.
Rayo Atra
Guardians of the Volatile Wine
#112 - 2014-08-27 16:53:39 UTC
Seriously OP had this same diarrhea story a few days ago.

Also, his main interaction seems to be on the forums, so maybe leaving the forums would be a good step in your solo play agenda.

I would also speculate the OP has a seriously "notice me" acknowledgement hangup, and the making of public banners carrying on about how he doesn't want to interact publicly, i would say confirms this. Usually these individuals fail at eve, some take longer than others.


I would also like to go on record saying that the eve community is the most open minded, engaging, generous, and helpful community in an MMO. There is no shortage of people willing to assist in every aspect of the game. This is a core driver in eve. CCP will never change it, they should not be expected to entertain ideas to change it, because you cant find some Ritalin.

I doubt you have any stuff worth asking for, and we are tolerant of nearly everything here, except whining.

Biomass OP.

Also locking these and further threads would be best for everyone.

Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.

-Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#113 - 2014-08-27 17:03:02 UTC
Rayo Atra wrote:
Seriously OP had this same diarrhea story a few days ago.

Also, his main interaction seems to be on the forums, so maybe leaving the forums would be a good step in your solo play agenda.

"solo play" heh... hehhhh

You know what you doing, launch every zig and so on

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2014-08-27 17:03:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
This is a multiplayer game. Even if you don't embrace the multiplayer aspect, other players want to work together for greater rewards. When it's just as easy to make X ISK/hr solo as it is with a group, then group play becomes a burden. This is the current state of mission PVE and CCP is trying to address that.

There's nothing wrong with not liking to play with other people, and there's not even anything wrong with wanting to solo an MMO like EVE. Just don't expect to have all the same opportunities as the group players do.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#115 - 2014-08-27 17:09:48 UTC
someone complaining about having to interact in an mmo? I guess someone missed the word multiplayer.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#116 - 2014-08-27 17:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Jur Tissant wrote:
This is a multiplayer game. Even if you don't embrace the multiplayer aspect, other players want to work together for greater rewards. When it's just as easy to make X ISK/hr solo as it is with a group, then group play becomes a burden. This is the current state of mission PVE and CCP is trying to address that.

There's nothing wrong with not liking to play with other people, and there's not even anything wrong with wanting to solo an MMO like EVE. Just don't expect to have all the same opportunities as the group players do.


Nonsense, I pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. According to crying white women on TV, that's enough money to feed several poor tropical countries for months AND adopt a homeless dog, but instead of feeding poor people I give my money to some Iceland guys so they damn well better give me everything I want despite the fact that I can't be arsed to ::effort:: for any of it!

And just like that, I summed up how every carebear in existence views EVE. You all are welcome. Twisted
Solecist Project
#117 - 2014-08-27 17:16:13 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
You don't even know what "PvP" means,
so you have no ground to have an opinion in the first place.

Someone kick that noob!


I know that killing capsules in high sec with suicide fits is pvp but... meh.

I will start taking you and your blabla seriously,
as soon as you show even a tea spoon full of intelligence in your posts.


So ... never.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#118 - 2014-08-27 17:34:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jur Tissant wrote:
This is a multiplayer game. Even if you don't embrace the multiplayer aspect, other players want to work together for greater rewards. When it's just as easy to make X ISK/hr solo as it is with a group, then group play becomes a burden. This is the current state of mission PVE and CCP is trying to address that.

There's nothing wrong with not liking to play with other people, and there's not even anything wrong with wanting to solo an MMO like EVE. Just don't expect to have all the same opportunities as the group players do.


Nonsense, I play 15 bucks a month to play this game. According to crying white women on TV, that's enough money to feed several poor tropical countries for months AND adopt a homeless dog, but instead of feeding poor people I give my money to some Iceland guys so they damn well better give me everything I want despite the fact that I can't be arsed to ::effort:: for any of it!

And just like that, I summed up how every carebear in existence views EVE. You all are welcome. Twisted



I have to agree with Jenn on this one she hit the nail on the head. If you want something go get it, don't expect it to come to you. That is problem in todays society, everyone thinks they are owed something and your not.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#119 - 2014-08-27 17:37:24 UTC
A bit late to the party but…
metalravenous wrote:
Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?
…they're not. They just offer those who work together better rewards. This is as it should be.

If you want to play alone and have fun, nothing is stopping you but yourself.
Good Posting
Doomheim
#120 - 2014-08-27 17:39:37 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Good Posting wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
You don't even know what "PvP" means,
so you have no ground to have an opinion in the first place.

Someone kick that noob!


I know that killing capsules in high sec with suicide fits is pvp but... meh.

I will start taking you and your blabla seriously,
as soon as you show even a tea spoon full of intelligence in your posts.


So ... never.


Sorry man, i didn't want to offend you.





Lol