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War Decs as a griefing tool

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Valkin Mordirc
#21 - 2014-08-27 12:04:26 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:

Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


how does a few week old player defend themself against a 50+mil sp player?


A new player shouldn't put them in a place that allows another player to hurt them.


If a new player warped into a lowsec system, with they're leet pvp Merlin, would you kill them? Yeah, you probably would. Would it be fair for that new player, to be mad that he died?


The same goes for highsec, You joined a corp? Good on you, Here's all the **** that can affect you.


The only difference between highsec wardecs and lowsec roams, is that Highsec wardeccers can choose their targets a little better than a lowsec roamer can. Even then, the wardeccers with the so called 50+mil SP, can get their **** kicked to the curb.
#DeleteTheWeak
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-08-27 12:05:36 UTC
War-dec it's not griefing technically, but I'm sure it's used as a tool to do just that on occasions.


Problem is there's too many chock points in this game, makes it easy to pen you in. Plus it's easy to find out where you are in the game.


You would have been better off just staying in the NPC corp and just group with your friends.


When you make or join a player corp you are agreeing to the war-dec system and then you're free game to anyone that wants to shot at you via that system.

Tbh it's a crap system, but I guess it's difficult to implement a better one with the way high-sec is and the restrictions of the game mechanics.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#23 - 2014-08-27 12:05:59 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:

Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


how does a few week old player defend themself against a 50+mil sp player?


Personally, I'm a big fan of the Griffin. Doesn't matter how many skillpoints you have, you can't fight if you're jammed.


yeah and by the time the week old player has locked you to jam you then he's already been alpha'd off the field by your insta-locking nado or proteus, great achievement

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#24 - 2014-08-27 12:10:13 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Personally, I'm a big fan of the Griffin.


What's Ralph got to do with this??


\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#25 - 2014-08-27 12:10:45 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:

Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


how does a few week old player defend themself against a 50+mil sp player?


A new player shouldn't put them in a place that allows another player to hurt them.


If a new player warped into a lowsec system, with they're leet pvp Merlin, would you kill them? Yeah, you probably would. Would it be fair for that new player, to be mad that he died?


The same goes for highsec, You joined a corp? Good on you, Here's all the **** that can affect you.


The only difference between highsec wardecs and lowsec roams, is that Highsec wardeccers can choose their targets a little better than a lowsec roamer can. Even then, the wardeccers with the so called 50+mil SP, can get their **** kicked to the curb.


dont blame the rookie for wanting to learn the game when its really your lack of pvp skills, you chooe your targets by finding the newest players you can and using their lack of knowledge to your advantage, thats not skill nor is it justifiable in any way

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#26 - 2014-08-27 12:11:08 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:

Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


how does a few week old player defend themself against a 50+mil sp player?


Personally, I'm a big fan of the Griffin. Doesn't matter how many skillpoints you have, you can't fight if you're jammed.


yeah and by the time the week old player has locked you to jam you then he's already been alpha'd off the field by your insta-locking nado or proteus, great achievement


Who uses a tornado in a wardec? Furthermore, how can a tornado even hit a griffin with an AB on orbiting the fleet anchor? Transversal alone should make it miss.

Have you even done this before? I mean, I am seriously out of practice, by nearly a year, but even I know better than that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ether Wing
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-08-27 12:11:25 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You mean this wardec? https://zkillboard.com/war/378511/
Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


Quote:

Learn to properly fit your ship


Jesus christ, these guys are noobs. Give them a break. Why not be a little considerate when giving advice, instead of quoting the law of the jungle? Are you saying there was never a time when you didn't know what the **** you were doing with fitting your ships and being a general moron with the finer points of how to play the game? Go blow them up all you want, but please, at least realize that these guys are brand new to the game and could use some encouragement, instead of being **** talked to.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2014-08-27 12:12:24 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Personally, I'm a big fan of the Griffin.


What's Ralph got to do with this??




Dammit.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#29 - 2014-08-27 12:14:07 UTC
WarDecs are the risk that come with the rewards of having a player-corporation. If you're not ready for the risks you don't get the rewards. You can't be dec'd or AWOX'd in an NPC corp...

Also... nowhere in your post is there any mention of coordinating with the other corps that were WarDec'd by this corporation... so you will find little sympathy from anyone, least of all CCP. Maybe this isn't the game for you? You didn't even try to fight... you tried to mine and mission during a war and get mad when you get blown up.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Valkin Mordirc
#30 - 2014-08-27 12:14:57 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


dont blame the rookie for wanting to learn the game when its really your lack of pvp skills, you chooe your targets by finding the newest players you can and using their lack of knowledge to your advantage, thats not skill nor is it justifiable in any way


Since when is EVE, a game where you can run around willy nilly and not be bothered? The player joins a corp, they accept that they can be wardec. They made that choice. They made that risk. There is no justifiable reason for them to be protected when they made the choice to go in the the real world outside the NPC corp.

Just because someone is new, does not mean they are somehow special. Sorry. Welcome to EVE, here's your complimentary charge of Antimatter. 
#DeleteTheWeak
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#31 - 2014-08-27 12:16:10 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:

Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


how does a few week old player defend themself against a 50+mil sp player?


Personally, I'm a big fan of the Griffin. Doesn't matter how many skillpoints you have, you can't fight if you're jammed.


yeah and by the time the week old player has locked you to jam you then he's already been alpha'd off the field by your insta-locking nado or proteus, great achievement


Who uses a tornado in a wardec? Furthermore, how can a tornado even hit a griffin with an AB on orbiting the fleet anchor? Transversal alone should make it miss.

Have you even done this before? I mean, I am seriously out of practice, by nearly a year, but even I know better than that.


who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.


Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#32 - 2014-08-27 12:16:18 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:

Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


how does a few week old player defend themself against a 50+mil sp player?


A new player shouldn't put them in a place that allows another player to hurt them.


If a new player warped into a lowsec system, with they're leet pvp Merlin, would you kill them? Yeah, you probably would. Would it be fair for that new player, to be mad that he died?


The same goes for highsec, You joined a corp? Good on you, Here's all the **** that can affect you.


The only difference between highsec wardecs and lowsec roams, is that Highsec wardeccers can choose their targets a little better than a lowsec roamer can. Even then, the wardeccers with the so called 50+mil SP, can get their **** kicked to the curb.


dont blame the rookie for wanting to learn the game when its really your lack of pvp skills, you chooe your targets by finding the newest players you can and using their lack of knowledge to your advantage, thats not skill nor is it justifiable in any way


QQ

  • PvP "skills"
  • "real" PvP
  • space honor

etcetc

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Experiment 32423
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-08-27 12:16:24 UTC
Or, you could interpret it as a valuable learning experience and learn to deal with those situations.

No matter how much you want it to, the game does not revolve around grinding missions or mining in a completely safe environment. While there are many ways to 'exploit' the mechanics to create a perfectly safe environment, figuring out a way to actually handle the situations is both more satisfying and educational.

For one, you can put together a group of people to blob them, you can go to less populated areas in low or null, or wormholes.. or you could buy PLEX and waste it on useless bounties no one cares about.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2014-08-27 12:18:28 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:

who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.




Who cares what ship it is?

That was half my point, you don't even know how a wardeccer fights, how would you know what is or is not a viable tactic for low SP players?

The question was posed how they are supposed to fight back. I answered it, and it was a damned good answer what's more.

Don't come in here and nitpick me, then tell me that the semantics aren't up for discussion.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#35 - 2014-08-27 12:19:17 UTC
Ive just figured out what "it" is

It's it

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Valkin Mordirc
#36 - 2014-08-27 12:19:43 UTC
Ether Wing wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You mean this wardec? https://zkillboard.com/war/378511/
Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


Quote:

Learn to properly fit your ship


Jesus christ, these guys are noobs. Give them a break. Why not be a little considerate when giving advice, instead of quoting the law of the jungle? Are you saying there was never a time when you didn't know what the **** you were doing with fitting your ships and being a general moron with the finer points of how to play the game? Go blow them up all you want, but please, at least realize that these guys are brand new to the game and could use some encouragement, instead of being **** talked to.



Was I ever a noob? Yeah, but I had people to teach me. I joined a corp that could defend itself and me along with it. I read guides, and taught myself how to fit ships and how to do everything else. They should be doing the same thing.

And I am teaching them, you failed to quote the Link to a proper fitted Algos. Interesting right? I showed them what they did wrong and gave them a good fit. 
#DeleteTheWeak
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#37 - 2014-08-27 12:20:03 UTC
BTW Sorry guys, but declaring war is not "griefing".

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-08-27 12:20:26 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


dont blame the rookie for wanting to learn the game when its really your lack of pvp skills, you chooe your targets by finding the newest players you can and using their lack of knowledge to your advantage, thats not skill nor is it justifiable in any way


Since when is EVE, a game where you can run around willy nilly and not be bothered? The player joins a corp, they accept that they can be wardec. They made that choice. They made that risk. There is no justifiable reason for them to be protected when they made the choice to go in the the real world outside the NPC corp.

Just because someone is new, does not mean they are somehow special. Sorry. Welcome to EVE, here's your complimentary charge of Antimatter.



Bolded and underlined the relevant bit.

Very true what you just said, although I'm sure there are some new players that are not aware of that.

I would suggest it needs to be spelt out in the tutorials, but I won't as it's obvious from other MMO a lot of players don't even read stuff, just follow quest/mission markers.
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#39 - 2014-08-27 12:22:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciba Lexlulu
Ether Wing wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You mean this wardec? https://zkillboard.com/war/378511/
Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


Quote:

Learn to properly fit your ship


Jesus christ, these guys are noobs. Give them a break. Why not be a little considerate when giving advice, instead of quoting the law of the jungle? Are you saying there was never a time when you didn't know what the **** you were doing with fitting your ships and being a general moron with the finer points of how to play the game? Go blow them up all you want, but please, at least realize that these guys are brand new to the game and could use some encouragement, instead of being **** talked to.


Exactly my point! I did not know better when I started. I just want to share my experience with newer players out there that lowsec is actually not that dangerous as long as you know basic rules such as Watch d-scanspace do not go AFK in space etc. Most of the 'griefings' in EvE happen in highsec.

In low sec, players owned Corp constantly patrol the space to make sure none of these griefing corps are there.
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#40 - 2014-08-27 12:22:17 UTC
Wait, so you and your friends decided to start a little group in an MMO and didn't expect to be decimated, destroyed, and utterly **** on? What a bunch of dumbasses!