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Why the push to force people to work together?

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#61 - 2014-08-27 11:36:11 UTC
Wonder if this is relevant?

edit - snipe Big smile

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#62 - 2014-08-27 11:36:29 UTC
metalravenous wrote:
I also do not think it is fair for anyone to be making the argument that this is how the game is and you started to play so now you can't try and shape it in a way that you want it to be. I mean any bittervet could use that as an argument to not change anything ever.


And I dont think its fair that you should be able to shape it to your way without supporting your opinion with examples, citations or evidence for why you think it needs changed.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#63 - 2014-08-27 11:39:20 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
metalravenous wrote:
I also do not think it is fair for anyone to be making the argument that this is how the game is and you started to play so now you can't try and shape it in a way that you want it to be. I mean any bittervet could use that as an argument to not change anything ever.


And I dont think its fair that you should be able to shape it to your way without supporting your opinion with examples, citations or evidence for why you think it needs changed.


And, even if you do those things, the answer is still "Hell no!", by the way.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#64 - 2014-08-27 11:39:25 UTC
metalravenous wrote:
all I am saying is CCP needs to not be trying to force me to have more interactions then I want to have or feel comfortable having.

No one forces you to do anything. You are completly free to play something which is not a MMO instead and nobody would care
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#65 - 2014-08-27 11:40:05 UTC
metalravenous wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
metalravenous wrote:
I am not saying you can't play the game how you want. I am saying that CCP shouldn't be making content that solely caters to or forces people into these situations.


Those two sentences mean the same thing.

You want group content taken away from other people because you don't want to do it yourself.

Your entitlement is appalling.


No I want CCP to take a more balanced approach. Sorry if you don't think I should be valued as a customer just as much as you.

I don't like diet coke, I don't drink it. I didn't like coke zero either, I don't drink that.

I fact , I hate coke.

I do like Bushmills though so I drink that.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#66 - 2014-08-27 11:40:07 UTC
metalravenous wrote:


I guess that is your opinion. I disagree. I find people in this game to be predictable in their back stabbing and why that is why I prefer a more solo experience.


That's a different matter.

It's a problem with EVE as backstabbing seems to be a way of life here. There's more paranoia in this game because of it.

EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.


But AI's are certainly more predictable than people, even people that you think are predictable can surprise you sometimes.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#67 - 2014-08-27 11:47:43 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:

EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.

You are so wide of the mark with this you aren't even wrong.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#68 - 2014-08-27 11:49:24 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:

EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.


Those I trust, Id give everything I had to and know I would get it back.

Everyone else, I count my fingers after paying them.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#69 - 2014-08-27 11:49:59 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.

You are so wide of the mark with this you aren't even wrong.




I'm talking about the community as a whole, not individual alliances.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#70 - 2014-08-27 11:50:45 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.

You are so wide of the mark with this you aren't even wrong.




I'm talking about the community as a whole, not individual alliances.

I know.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#71 - 2014-08-27 11:53:35 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:
metalravenous wrote:


I guess that is your opinion. I disagree. I find people in this game to be predictable in their back stabbing and why that is why I prefer a more solo experience.


That's a different matter.

It's a problem with EVE as backstabbing seems to be a way of life here. There's more paranoia in this game because of it.

EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.


But AI's are certainly more predictable than people, even people that you think are predictable can surprise you sometimes.



cool story bro ...

Counter story -- some of my best contacts in this game are from these "back-stabbers" you speak of.
Granted, I don't trust them ultimately, but there's enough trust that we can get stuff done.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#72 - 2014-08-27 11:58:51 UTC
Velicitia wrote:

Counter story -- some of my best contacts in this game are from these "back-stabbers" you speak of.
Granted, I don't trust them ultimately, but there's enough trust that we can get stuff done.


For example, I run an excellent unadvertised third party service, I have absolutely zero negative transactions.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#73 - 2014-08-27 12:04:00 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Velicitia wrote:

Counter story -- some of my best contacts in this game are from these "back-stabbers" you speak of.
Granted, I don't trust them ultimately, but there's enough trust that we can get stuff done.


For example, I run an excellent unadvertised third party service, I have absolutely zero negative transactions.


Oh really?
You have a newsletter I can sign up for? Smile

Also, these "bad guy" types have been the most help out of any other group in the game. It's because of them that I can fit ships well enough.

I mean, they get the job done, but I bet if I talked to people, I could find ways to squeeze even more performance out of them ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#74 - 2014-08-27 12:06:07 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
but I bet if I talked to people, I could find ways to squeeze even more performance out of them ...


Well, you have to be Amarr for that. And it's less "talking" and more "forcing them into drug dependence to do your bidding".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#75 - 2014-08-27 12:10:22 UTC
Because it's a Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Game.

Also, studies have shown that players who play with groups stay with EVE Online.

So from a business perspective it's smart. If you want to leave, then leave - if you're a solo player you'll leave eventually anyway, sooner instead of later.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Velicitia
XS Tech
#76 - 2014-08-27 12:13:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
but I bet if I talked to people, I could find ways to squeeze even more performance out of them ...


Well, you have to be Amarr for that. And it's less "talking" and more "forcing them into drug dependence to do your bidding".


more performance out of the SHIPS. Roll

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#77 - 2014-08-27 12:14:22 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
but I bet if I talked to people, I could find ways to squeeze even more performance out of them ...


Well, you have to be Amarr for that. And it's less "talking" and more "forcing them into drug dependence to do your bidding".


\o/

Hey, its not always forcing

There's tricking and deceit

And slipping it in their soup too

And my personal favourite; the "string-into-sleeping -mouth-pour-serum-down-string" ploy

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#78 - 2014-08-27 12:23:20 UTC
Just read the OP and skipped to the end.

Two things,

1. Never tried them yet but from what I hear, it sounds like the risk doesn't properly match the reward with these missions. In other words, they're not worth doing.

2. You hit the nail on the head with alts. These will encourage the use of alt accounts. EVE is pay to win after all.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#79 - 2014-08-27 12:24:15 UTC
Or good old indoctrination _o/\0/\o_

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#80 - 2014-08-27 12:24:51 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
but I bet if I talked to people, I could find ways to squeeze even more performance out of them ...


Well, you have to be Amarr for that. And it's less "talking" and more "forcing them into drug dependence to do your bidding".


more performance out of the SHIPS. Roll


Like, whipping the crew to make them work faster?

I imagine that's what "Overheat" is for Amarr ships.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.