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Gambling is apparently illegal in Iceland

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bacon lettuce tomato
#1 - 2014-08-27 03:34:51 UTC
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According to Articles 183 and 184 of the Criminal Code, in effect since 1998, “it is a punishable offense to engage in gambling and betting on a professional basis, to encourage others to participate in these activities and to derive direct or indirect income from having the activities take place on one’s premises.”


So this means we'll never see ingame casinos right?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-08-27 03:36:56 UTC
It all depends on what "a professional basis" means which is most likely defined elsewhere.







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Fujiko MaXjolt
ACME HARDWARE
#3 - 2014-08-27 03:37:22 UTC
bacon lettuce tomato wrote:
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According to Articles 183 and 184 of the Criminal Code, in effect since 1998, “it is a punishable offense to engage in gambling and betting on a professional basis, to encourage others to participate in these activities and to derive direct or indirect income from having the activities take place on one’s premises.”


So this means we'll never see ingame casinos right?


No, because the servers are based in London.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#4 - 2014-08-27 03:47:28 UTC
and something about no real money being involved
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-08-27 04:14:40 UTC

My opinion is that a game like this should try to steer clear from an official activity which is considered rather detrimental and addictive.


The players should be free to provide gambling content, though.

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Vyl Vit
#6 - 2014-08-27 04:15:00 UTC
However, courts have declared in-game assets to be of monetary value with regard to law enforcement. Anyway, I thought this thread was about living with active volcanoes and trying to rationalize it as NOT a gamble...Blink

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#7 - 2014-08-27 04:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
KIller Wabbit wrote:
and something about no real money being involved


Which is how Pachinko parlors operate in Japan where gambling is similarly strictly illegal.

Vyl Vit wrote:
However, courts have declared in-game assets to be of monetary value with regard to law enforcement. Anyway, I thought this thread was about living with active volcanoes and trying to rationalize it as NOT a gamble...Blink


Can you give a citation please?

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#8 - 2014-08-27 04:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
bacon lettuce tomato wrote:
Quote:
According to Articles 183 and 184 of the Criminal Code, in effect since 1998, “it is a punishable offense to engage in gambling and betting on a professional basis, to encourage others to participate in these activities and to derive direct or indirect income from having the activities take place on one’s premises.”


So this means we'll never see ingame casinos right?



Murder is illegal in Iceland, too. Yet, behold...... PvP in EVE.

aka: when are you all going to learn that EVE ISK (despite technically having an exchange rate) does not equal real currency, and assets in EVE are not taxable (for those who were worried that the American IRS was going to tax our spaceships)?

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-08-27 04:57:24 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
activity which is considered rather detrimental and addictive.


I know this isn't what you meant but this sounds like the definition of an MMO...
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#10 - 2014-08-27 05:11:55 UTC
In-game casinos (run by ccp) would be an excellent isk-sink. Way back in the Everquest days, some folks figured out a duplication exploit. As the currency in EQ was real coin you had to either carry around or store in the bank, it worked for the currency too. Soon the economy was literally hosed all across the EQ servers.

Then came the casino.... mopped that problem right up.

\m/ O.o \m/

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bacon lettuce tomato
#11 - 2014-08-27 05:12:02 UTC
Some thoughts that come to mind based on the replys-

I'm not an Icelandic attorney but I think that in

"gambling and betting on a professional basis"

Gambling and betting on a professional basis can be separated into two separate statements. As gambling (or facilitation thereof) in itself may be banned as well as the private acts of individual gamblers (or facilitation thereof) .

Also that

" to derive direct or indirect income "

Should be paid attention to as CCP's PLEX model, may constitute 'indirect income' through ISK gambling if it were to ever happen.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#12 - 2014-08-27 05:15:38 UTC
bacon lettuce tomato wrote:
Some thoughts that come to mind based on the replys-

I'm not an Icelandic attorney but I think that in

"gambling and betting on a professional basis"

Gambling and betting on a professional basis can be separated into two separate statements. As gambling (or facilitation thereof) in itself may be banned as well as the private acts of individual gamblers (or facilitation thereof) .

Also that

" to derive direct or indirect income "

Should be paid attention to as CCP's PLEX model, may constitute 'indirect income' through ISK gambling if it were to ever happen.




Are you using the same "logic" that tinfoil hat people use to speculate about "chemtrails", and deduce wild assumptions about fluoride in the tap water?

Because that's what it sounds like.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
bacon lettuce tomato
#13 - 2014-08-27 05:24:57 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

Are you using the same "logic" that tinfoil hat people use to speculate about "chemtrails", and deduce wild assumptions about fluoride in the tap water?

Because that's what it sounds like.


I didn't talk about anything conspiratorial but probably should have, I guess.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#14 - 2014-08-27 06:20:13 UTC
bacon lettuce tomato wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

Are you using the same "logic" that tinfoil hat people use to speculate about "chemtrails", and deduce wild assumptions about fluoride in the tap water?

Because that's what it sounds like.


I didn't talk about anything conspiratorial but probably should have, I guess.



It's just that we had that one guy that was telling everyone the IRS was coming to tax our crap in EVE. No amount of common sense could sway his paranoia. He went on about it for nearly a week. FEMA had to come out to clean up the forums, and the guy flipped his top about that because he believed in FEMA Death Camps and mass graves in rural Missouri. He took Fred hostage, and then killed him trying to escape.

Fred was my friend. :(

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#15 - 2014-08-27 06:22:22 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Fred was my friend. :(


His name was Fred Paulson

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2014-08-27 06:26:00 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

My opinion is that a game like this should try to steer clear from an official activity which is considered rather detrimental and addictive.


The players should be free to provide gambling content, though.


This is a disturbingly hot avatar.
Damn you.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#17 - 2014-08-27 06:31:23 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Fred was my friend. :(


His name was Fred Paulson


Yes. And he was my friend.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-08-27 06:39:58 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
However, courts have declared in-game assets to be of monetary value with regard to law enforcement.


First of all, which courts and what jurisdiction does that apply to?

Secondly, citation needed.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-08-27 06:45:23 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

My opinion is that a game like this should try to steer clear from an official activity which is considered rather detrimental and addictive.


The players should be free to provide gambling content, though.


This is a disturbingly hot avatar.
Damn you.


While I was going through treatment, and playing less EVE to keep from stressing myself with the very real possibility of EVE burnout (everyone knows it can happen) and making myself physically worse for it, I have a confession to make...

I subbed on SWTOR.

I checked it out for free at first, and enjoyed it. For a themepark game, it made getting through my treatment a lot less traumatic. Even now that my treatment is complete, I'm still playing it more than EVE. For the moment, anyway. I'm still working on the story, learning about the game. Got into as much PVP as I could and became pretty good at it.

Anyway, since we're on the subject of hot avatars, I'll make my point. I got around to making a second toon, a female Cathar. I've never played an MMO with a female toon and thought I'd give it a go, and I like the Cathar race.

I'm the kinda guy though who doesn't really care much about how his pixels looks, and I just hit random on the toon. The first click, I had the sexiest toon I'd ever seen in a video game ever. I mean, in my opinion. What I find sexy, you may not. But anyway, it was still pretty impressive, and when it comes to women, real or otherwise, I'm not easily impressed.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Solecist Project
#20 - 2014-08-27 07:33:43 UTC
bacon lettuce tomato wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

Are you using the same "logic" that tinfoil hat people use to speculate about "chemtrails", and deduce wild assumptions about fluoride in the tap water?

Because that's what it sounds like.


I didn't talk about anything conspiratorial but probably should have, I guess.

Awesome name!! :D

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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