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Caldari vs Gallente FW

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JasonXXL
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2011-12-10 02:46:18 UTC
Fine, if you guys wanna do a sorta equal numbers T1 cruiser fleet we'll do it. Just give a shout.

We will of course be using neutral carrier reps though.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#182 - 2011-12-10 03:37:11 UTC
Gallente Federationn wrote:
I am Jacus Roden, president of the Gallente Federation. What is this? Our most hating enemy has given up stating he doesn't even care? That sounds typically caldarian. To fight only when you are sure you will win, and to just say you weren't committed to the fight in any way should you lose.

That is linked to why hate kept building between the Federation and what was once part of it, the Caldari state. This childish way of thinking of the Caldarians.

The state has never been superior to the federation, and never will be. I advise our enemies to show at least some dignity.
Uhmmm.. we took over every last one of your systems, then held them for almost a year. Come back on this thread and post when you have managed to do the same.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#183 - 2011-12-10 07:26:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Emily Poast wrote:
(and frankly, both sides are guilty of it).


Well, Gallentes just needed t3 links and ishkur, jaguar, hookbill, firetail, rifter, coercer and cormorant before going against griffin, thrasher and arbitrator. They also wondered why they didnt get a "good fite" from opponents who decided to leave. Then again, this was completely expected behavior from frogs.

I went there originally with my alt to see if wts would actually have the guts to take a fight against thrasher with hookbill/firetail. Of course they did not have.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#184 - 2011-12-10 12:04:46 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
] then held them for almost a year.

Your concept of time is somewhat lacking, it wasn't that long.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#185 - 2011-12-10 18:19:53 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Emily Poast wrote:
(and frankly, both sides are guilty of it).


Well, Gallentes just needed t3 links and ishkur, jaguar, hookbill, firetail, rifter, coercer and cormorant before going against griffin, thrasher and arbitrator. They also wondered why they didnt get a "good fite" from opponents who decided to leave. Then again, this was completely expected behavior from frogs.

I went there originally with my alt to see if wts would actually have the guts to take a fight against thrasher with hookbill/firetail. Of course they did not have.


A lot of the time, I think, why fight fair?

But then again, a fair fight IS fun every once in a while. I just try and not press my luck all that much.

Rifter v Griffin

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#186 - 2011-12-10 20:00:59 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
] then held them for almost a year.

Your concept of time is somewhat lacking, it wasn't that long.


how long it was then?
Tiffany Starr
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#187 - 2011-12-10 21:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiffany Starr
Quote:


Well, Gallentes just needed t3 links and ishkur, jaguar, hookbill, firetail, rifter, coercer and cormorant before going against griffin, thrasher and arbitrator. They also wondered why they didnt get a "good fite" from opponents who decided to leave. Then again, this was completely expected behavior from frogs.

I went there originally with my alt to see if wts would actually have the guts to take a fight against thrasher with hookbill/firetail. Of course they did not have.


Not to mention the NPCs were long dead in the minor and they had a Navy Caracal and Claw heading down the pipe to 'help out' in the medium.


Quote:


A lot of the time, I think, why fight fair?

But then again, a fair fight IS fun every once in a while. I just try and not press my luck all that much.


To be fair, you ended up in 37% structure and would have been blown up if I had bothered to overheat.

I guess killing two Thrashers back-to-back made me overconfident...

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Gar Earthbendiir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#188 - 2011-12-11 04:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Gar Earthbendiir
Fighting a Griffin with no ECCM= death. Glad to fight ya though!!
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
#189 - 2011-12-11 04:08:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Desra Mascani
You might want to look at this. An image depicting one of the recent events.

Just a few minute quickie in PhotoPaint.... Thanks to Shaalira D'Arc for the snapshot.

Lol
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#190 - 2011-12-11 11:35:43 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
] then held them for almost a year.

Your concept of time is somewhat lacking, it wasn't that long.


how long it was then?


Closer to 7-8 months at most. I started playing EVE in July 09 and there were a few systems left to fall, come the new year PERVS went off to fail in Amarr/Matari F-War which left Gallente systems open to be retaken.

Almost a year would be 10 1/2 - 11 months, wasn't near that.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#191 - 2011-12-11 12:06:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
] then held them for almost a year.

Your concept of time is somewhat lacking, it wasn't that long.
June '09 we secured last of the Gallente systems.Mid Feb 2010 MCB left for Stain, and no systems had been retaken at that point. Min. 8 months by my count, and that's the better part of a year right there .

I dunno when you started to retake your own systems, Wasn't till after MCB left,but it's safe to say it was close to a year.I took a break from mid Feb to mid August 2010,choosing not to go to Stain with MCB, and started my own FW corp upon my return, at which point the systems had been retaken.It had to take you at least 2 months to take them back, assuming you started the day I left, ( which I doubt) that brings it to 10 months at least. So, yeah, almost a year.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#192 - 2011-12-11 12:15:25 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
] then held them for almost a year.

Your concept of time is somewhat lacking, it wasn't that long.


how long it was then?


Closer to 7-8 months at most. I started playing EVE in July 09 and there were a few systems left to fall, come the new year PERVS went off to fail in Amarr/Matari F-War which left Gallente systems open to be retaken.

Almost a year would be 10 1/2 - 11 months, wasn't near that.


PERVS offence in minmatar was not really reason why gallente took systems back, it was plex spawning change that made it impossible to defend all conquered systems.

As you see current change made it also hard to defend your own sov systems too. I think that current system is better than any earlier, it makes possible to have constant 23/7 action so it is not dependable on some specific timezone.

Caldari is loosing systems because gallente has still all those bitter old veterans who want to make 1-1 on this war, sad part is that most of caldari plexing veterans left militia years ago so not many left to counter.

Personally i have not much interest to come back, last time we took all systems and controlled those long time. So if we gather some good pvp group and start to take systems back i afraid that war will be over again fast and plain pve remains. FW was originally ment for new players to learn pvp, i do not feel that i am new player anymore Big smile
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#193 - 2011-12-11 12:24:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
] then held them for almost a year.

Your concept of time is somewhat lacking, it wasn't that long.


how long it was then?


Closer to 7-8 months at most. I started playing EVE in July 09 and there were a few systems left to fall, come the new year PERVS went off to fail in Amarr/Matari F-War which left Gallente systems open to be retaken.

Almost a year would be 10 1/2 - 11 months, wasn't near that.
I remember very clearly was in June we took the last, not July.
Either way, point holds, lets see you take them all and hold them for the better part of a year before you start whining to CCP asking for a medal. When you do that you can talk.Until then Gallente have achieved nothing, and to claim Caldari didn't is just ludicrous.Give credit where credit is due.


Tanaka Sekigahara,
Recipient of the Distinguished Blade
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#194 - 2011-12-11 12:42:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Bad Messenger wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
] then held them for almost a year.

Your concept of time is somewhat lacking, it wasn't that long.


how long it was then?


Closer to 7-8 months at most. I started playing EVE in July 09 and there were a few systems left to fall, come the new year PERVS went off to fail in Amarr/Matari F-War which left Gallente systems open to be retaken.

Almost a year would be 10 1/2 - 11 months, wasn't near that.


PERVS offence in minmatar was not really reason why gallente took systems back, it was plex spawning change that made it impossible to defend all conquered systems.

As you see current change made it also hard to defend your own sov systems too. I think that current system is better than any earlier, it makes possible to have constant 23/7 action so it is not dependable on some specific timezone.

Caldari is loosing systems because gallente has still all those bitter old veterans who want to make 1-1 on this war, sad part is that most of caldari plexing veterans left militia years ago so not many left to counter.

Personally i have not much interest to come back, last time we took all systems and controlled those long time. So if we gather some good pvp group and start to take systems back i afraid that war will be over again fast and plain pve remains. FW was originally ment for new players to learn pvp, i do not feel that i am new player anymore Big smile
I agree ,Current system is fine.only change I would like to see is Sov change to go along with Occupancy, or at least to have a militia lose docking rights in systems that belong to enemy.CCP should institute that change, especially if they want to get people ready for 0.0, start instituting the most basic part of the mechanic and see if the militias can do anything with it to make money off the systems, and if they can, fine, then FW has a purpose beyond button spinning, if not, then maybe people might want to go somewhere they can actually do something with Sov, like 0.0.

I understand you are not a new player, but I still think it would be a blast to kick Gallente out of Heyd , Vlil, and a few other systems they hold, and deny them docking rights there.I also think such changes would have a spillover effect to how effective they would be at plexing.Perhaps I am wrong, but I think if docking rights were at risk then fights would have more at stake, and would be more frequent and sharper, at a minimum.When people have something tangible at risk then they may become more active and vested in it.
Jones Bones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#195 - 2011-12-11 14:34:02 UTC
Me > All FW Pilots



Combined.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#196 - 2011-12-11 15:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
I remember very clearly was in June we took the last, not July.


You're right I stand corrected.

The way things are though with the Caldari simply not having enough interested pilots defending, it may well be a reversal of the end scenario under the previous system. Which will probably lead to yet another change or two in future.

Quote:
and hold them for the better part of a year before you start whining to CCP asking for a medal


Not everyone had to repeatedly poke CCP for their medal y'know: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1098959&page=3


Speaking from a neutral point medals are irrelevant, I just hope the Feds hold FW long enough for Heth to be replaced with something more interesting than a 1 dimensional character.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Monique Severasse
Negative Pressure Union
#197 - 2011-12-11 22:12:09 UTC
I'll be giving out free lap dances to all our Gallente heroes when the entire warzone is captured.

Just give me a head's up so I can get in on the free medal.

- XOXO Monique
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#198 - 2011-12-12 01:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
I remember very clearly was in June we took the last, not July.


You're right I stand corrected.

The way things are though with the Caldari simply not having enough interested pilots defending, it may well be a reversal of the end scenario under the previous system. Which will probably lead to yet another change or two in future.

Quote:
and hold them for the better part of a year before you start whining to CCP asking for a medal


Not everyone had to repeatedly poke CCP for their medal y'know: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1098959&page=3


Speaking from a neutral point medals are irrelevant, I just hope the Feds hold FW long enough for Heth to be replaced with something more interesting than a 1 dimensional character.

What's the current system count, as far as Cal vs Gallente?I don't have the game installed on this machine so I cant check.

Myself, I think once it gets close to Gallente taking all of them then I would expect to see a counter offensive.Bear in mind this is less than a month after the plex changes, I wouldn't draw any conclusions on anything right now, least of all Caldari rolling over and dying.

That's probably the main point, that Gallente are talking like they have already won all the systems and are asking for a medal. All I'm saying is take them all first, then wait 6 months for a medal like we had to.Point is, take them and hold them long enough so that it's apparent to everyone they aren't gonna be retaken anytime soon. That was the situation we had last time.

Myself I don't think Caldari will let you take them all, and if they do I dont think they will let you hold them for any length of time.
Declaring a Gallente win right now seems premature to say the least.

I can tell you for my part i dont plex, have no intention of plexing, but if it looks like gallente will take them all, then I will plex to stop it.It's true, the medal means nothing, isn't important to me, except when someoen else says it means nothing, then it's suddenly quite important, inasmuch as I'm glad I have mine and have no intention of letting you get yours.Silly, I know, but it's a game after all anyway, and only holds what meaning we attach to it.

If attaching meaning to something meaningless makes my game more fun, well, then, good for me, is how I see it.When it starts to matter you will see people start coming out of the woodwork.I may be one of them.

Bottom line-my tribe, Yay!!, your tribe, Booo!!
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#199 - 2011-12-12 03:16:49 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
[quote=Tanaka Sekigahara]I remember very clearly was in June we took the last, not July.


You're right I stand corrected.

The way things are though with the Caldari simply not having enough interested pilots defending, it may well be a reversal of the end scenario under the previous system. Which will probably lead to yet another change or two in future.

Quote:
and hold them for the better part of a year before you start whining to CCP asking for a medal


Not everyone had to repeatedly poke CCP for their medal y'know: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1098959&page=3


Speaking from a neutral point medals are irrelevant, I just hope the Feds hold FW long enough for Heth to be replaced with something more interesting than a 1 dimensional character.

What's the current system count, as far as Cal vs Gallente?I don't have the game installed on this machine so I cant check.

Use Dotlan? It's 12-1 in Gallente favour in captured systems at the moment. Latest change was Esesier being liberated.

For completion it's 8-0 in Minmatar favour against the Amarr, last change was a recapture of Huola for the Amarrians though.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#200 - 2011-12-12 06:41:07 UTC
this thread is a little too serious (or maybe butthurt?). It's boring me. I miss hidden snake trolling threads with witty one liners like "Your tears fuel me" "Frogs are just mad cuz you can't blob our cloaked ships", etc.



*yawns*