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I'm confused - Is this steam RMTing?

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Faeana
iD00M
#21 - 2014-08-26 19:56:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Faeana
Jim Era wrote:
Faeana wrote:
If it's a pack that they are reselling on behalf of CCP, the items are created by CCP, then it's not rmt.

However if the items they are selling were farmed in game by players, it is RMT.


So its only RMT when somebody works for it.

weird.


CCP are gifting it as a pack.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#22 - 2014-08-26 19:57:24 UTC
Applicable:

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#23 - 2014-08-26 19:58:36 UTC
There's this thing called "business partner". Might have something to do with that.
Tassin en Lone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-08-26 20:02:09 UTC
I'm sorry to break it to you guys, but CCP has decided to ban all steam accounts due to RMT'ing. P

Carebear Extraordinaire
Good Posting
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-08-26 20:04:51 UTC

"The Industrialist Add-On Pack includes:

The Sigil industrial ship
A full set of skillbooks and equipment to kit out and fly your ship
Ship and weaponry blueprints
Starter minerals : 500x Mexallon, 15,000 Pyerite, 15,000 Tritanium
Two Giant Secure Containers for storage in space
Avatar apparel: male “Esquire” and female “Executor” coats (green/gold)"

haha
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#26 - 2014-08-26 20:06:31 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
Can other people get one of those?


Yes. The question is, do you have the multi million unit selling online distribution platform that will make them interested in making such an agreement.

Every day I'm wafflin!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#27 - 2014-08-26 20:16:49 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/8500/

The little add-on DLC packs for 1.99/3.99 are in game Eve assets for real life cash.
Didn't a well know gambling site just get the banhammer for that?
What's the difference?


Nope, they're out of game codes for cash.

That they happen to be redeemable with CCP for in game assets (as plex codes are redeemable with ccp for PLEX) is irrelevant.

Also Steam isn't a player of EVE.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Lady Areola Fappington
#28 - 2014-08-26 20:32:59 UTC
CCP controls the game. CCP writes the EULA/ToS. CCP can change, or make exceptions to said EULA/ToS as they please.

It's one of the nice things about owning a company like this. They get to set the rules. You'll never really be able to "gotcha" CCP on a EULA issue, because they can literally change the EULA at the drop of a hat.

If CCP says what Steam is doing is not RMT, well...it's not RMT.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-08-26 20:49:41 UTC


Let's have this conversation again when Gabe Newell makes an EVE pilot who sends you ISK when you activate a Steam account.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#30 - 2014-08-26 22:14:03 UTC
RMT, not even close.

Looks more like the start of non-vanity-item microtransactions, which we were promised would never happen.

Who put the goat in there?
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-08-26 22:43:35 UTC
Not sure if trolling or just stupid..... Roll
Paranoid Loyd
#32 - 2014-08-26 22:45:47 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Not sure if trolling or just stupid..... Roll


Shamelessly stolen from Jonah

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#33 - 2014-08-26 23:30:14 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
If Falcon gets in on the case they may close down Steam over this


OR, Emperor Newell may plunk down a tiny pinch of his $1.5B net worth and just buyout CCP all together.

.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#34 - 2014-08-27 00:13:38 UTC
Yes, it is RMT. One that I'm sure caused some celebration at CCP when Steam approved it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2014-08-27 00:33:11 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/8500/

The little add-on DLC packs for 1.99/3.99 are in game Eve assets for real life cash.
Didn't a well know gambling site just get the banhammer for that?
What's the difference?

You mean what's the difference between a player handing out ISK in exchange for real-life cash and an account retailer offering a discount on the accounts it's retailing?

Yeah, that's a mystery for the ages. Roll🔫
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#36 - 2014-08-27 00:40:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
virm pasuul wrote:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/8500/

The little add-on DLC packs for 1.99/3.99 are in game Eve assets for real life cash.
Didn't a well know gambling site just get the banhammer for that?
What's the difference?

You mean what's the difference between a player handing out ISK in exchange for real-life cash and an account retailer offering a discount on the accounts it's retailing?

Yeah, that's a mystery for the ages. Roll🔫

It's not about the discounts on the accounts, it's the micro transactions they're offering for in-game items.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#37 - 2014-08-27 00:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Derrick Miles wrote:
It's not about the discounts on the accounts, it's the micro transactions they're offering for in-game items.

Same thing. But ok, fine, since people have to be silly about it.

You mean what's the difference between a player handing out ISK in exchange for real-life cash and a standard newbie package retailer offering a discount on the standard newbie packages it's retailing?

Yeah, that's a mystery for the ages. Roll🔫

(Hint: they're not microtransactions — they're optional promo packages when you buy an account. This is no different than what CCP and its third-party retailers have offered in the past.)
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#38 - 2014-08-27 00:54:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
It's not about the discounts on the accounts, it's the micro transactions they're offering for in-game items.

Same thing. But ok, fine, since people have to be silly about it.

You mean what's the difference between a player handing out ISK in exchange for real-life cash and a standard newbie package retailer offering a discount on the standard newbie packages it's retailing?

Yeah, that's a mystery for the ages. Roll🔫

(Hint: they're not microtransactions — they're optional promo packages when you buy an account. This is no different than what CCP and its third-party retailers have offered in the past.)

Did you even look at the page? You don't need to buy a new account, they just have a similar name as past starter packs. And if you don't think this is a microtransaction you don't really understand what a microtransaction is.

This is not something I can recall CCP doing before, and although it's obviously not RMT as a violation of the EULA or anything that breaks the rules like Somer did, it's still a significant step for them to be edging into the microtransaction business model like this. I think it's a very good thing and it opens up a whole new revenue stream for them.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2014-08-27 01:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Derrick Miles wrote:
Did you even look at the page?
How else would I'd be able to instantly and trivially determine what they are? It's not like it says what it is in plain text right on the page. Roll

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And if you don't think this is a microtransaction you don't really understand what a microtransaction is.
So buy 10 of them. Go ahead. Try it.

They're not microtransactions, they're optional promos, same as all the starter kits that we've seen from CCP and their distributors for yonks.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#40 - 2014-08-27 01:12:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Did you even look at the page?
How else would I'd be able to instantly and trivially determine what they are? It's not like it says what it is in plain text right on the page. Roll

Quote:
And if you don't think this is a microtransaction you don't really understand what a microtransaction is.
So buy 10 of them. Go ahead. Try it.

They're not microtransactions, they're optional promos, same as all the starter kits that we've seen from CCP and their distributors for yonks.

You're right, you can only buy 4, not 10. But when has CCP ever sold a package that contained nothing but in-game items?
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