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How long do you think EvE will last?

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#81 - 2014-08-26 17:13:19 UTC
Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.

But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it.
Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.
Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2014-08-26 17:46:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Paynus Maiassus
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.

But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it.
Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.


What makes you think CCP seems just fine with casual players leaving? All the new tooltips, the new PvE missions, the increased options for freighters and the buffing of barges and exhumers overall making ganking harder? This makes you think CCP doesn't care about high sec and care bears, the bastion of new and casual players?

And how do you even know the casuals are leaving? Given the lack of a summer war, tell me how you know what's causing the lower concurrent logins? Given the number of alts in game, PLEX price fluctuations, and multiple uses for PLEX, tell me how you know that casuals are actually leaving the game and not alts of vets?

And tell me how Crius and Hyperion have damaged the game? The only gauge I have seen is forum posts, which account for an incredibly small percentage of the player base, and the overwhelming majority of the negative feedback seems to be coming from veterans who won't wrap their head around change and improvement. Veterans that have an incredible pattern of returning to the game with new updates that address the problems they complain about, which lately is the sov stalemate. (I predict a swell of returning players after this is updated next year.)

So tell me how you are not a useless troll and an uninformed ranter insulting CCP?
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#83 - 2014-08-26 18:21:34 UTC
According to my account, a week. Though I'm sure I will renew.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#84 - 2014-08-26 18:44:03 UTC
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.

But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it.
Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.


What makes you think CCP seems just fine with casual players leaving? All the new tooltips, the new PvE missions, the increased options for freighters and the buffing of barges and exhumers overall making ganking harder? This makes you think CCP doesn't care about high sec and care bears, the bastion of new and casual players?

And how do you even know the casuals are leaving? Given the lack of a summer war, tell me how you know what's causing the lower concurrent logins? Given the number of alts in game, PLEX price fluctuations, and multiple uses for PLEX, tell me how you know that casuals are actually leaving the game and not alts of vets?

And tell me how Crius and Hyperion have damaged the game? The only gauge I have seen is forum posts, which account for an incredibly small percentage of the player base, and the overwhelming majority of the negative feedback seems to be coming from veterans who won't wrap their head around change and improvement. Veterans that have an incredible pattern of returning to the game with new updates that address the problems they complain about, which lately is the sov stalemate. (I predict a swell of returning players after this is updated next year.)

So tell me how you are not a useless troll and an uninformed ranter insulting CCP?


Touched a nerve I see.

PCU year over year at this point is lowest in 4 years.
Are null sec players leaving because of boredom? Of course.
But Crius murdered high sec industry, as was predicted.
A whole bunch of the people that do high sec industry stated they would leave, and looks like they followed through.

Gevlon Goblin, who spouts a whole ton of propaganda, but occasionally comes up with some hard numbers, has posted graphs showing the declining activity across the board, but it is most pronounced in high sec.

Pretty toys like overview sharing and frigate burner missions will not cut it if the rest of a high sec player's existence is misery, which Crius just added more of that misery to.
Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
#85 - 2014-08-26 18:46:00 UTC
EVE will die when CCP Guard leaves

/thread
August - Breeze
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2014-08-26 21:02:43 UTC
EVE is already in decline and with every blunder like everyone's overview being erased, the decline will speed up. I hear most people say they have no faith in CCP and that CCP does not know what they are doing.

EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#87 - 2014-08-26 21:06:49 UTC
August - Breeze wrote:
EVE is already in decline and with every blunder like everyone's overview being erased, the decline will speed up. I hear most people say they have no faith in CCP and that CCP does not know what they are doing.

EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.




Thought I heard it all. Now I have.

The history books will record that "though EVE survived scandal after scandal, new game launch after new game launch, and 11 years as a subscription MMO when the rest of the industry went free to play, it was the deleting of easy to make/replace overviews that speleed the end of EVE Online".............
Prince Kobol
#88 - 2014-08-26 21:20:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
August - Breeze wrote:


EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.



This is a very important point. There has never been a direct competitor to Eve. Sometimes I think this is shame because nothing drives improvement and removes complacency like a bit of competition.

I know some people will defend CCP no matter what which is fair enough, but Eve not having any direct competition is a factor in its longevity.

As for the overviews not working, for some people it might be the straw that broke the camels back. Sometimes its the accumulation of lots of little things that eventually drives a player away, not a major big thing.

One of the major reasons I quit playing Lotro (which I loved and played for nearly 3 years) was not for any 1 or 2 major issues, but the accumulation of many many issues which ultimately when put together, made me no longer enjoy the game.

The straw for me was a small change in a particular skill, it was just a small change but it was enough to push me over the edge.
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#89 - 2014-08-26 21:31:07 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
August - Breeze wrote:


EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.



This is a very important point. There has never been a direct competitor to Eve. Sometimes I think this is shame because nothing drives improvement and removes complacency like a bit of competition.

I know some people will defend CCP no matter what which is fair enough, but Eve not having any direct competition is a factor in its longevity.

As for the overviews not working, for some people it might be the straw that broke the camels back. Sometimes its the accumulation of lots of little things that eventually drives a player away, not a major big thing.

One of the major reasons I quit playing Lotro (which I loved and played for nearly 3 years) was not for any 1 or 2 major issues, but the accumulation of many many issues which ultimately when put together, made me no longer enjoy the game.

The straw for me was a small change in a particular skill, it was just a small change but it was enough to push me over the edge.



well said prince,

every MMO has its day, what many accomplish is the reward to its legacy.. and eve online has survived, but now since competition is finally heading its way, we're seeing CCP take gambles.

one big issue besides the overview.. is the "blackout" screen players are beginning to report causing them to not play the game at all. thanks ccp you make patch day awesome!!!!! lol
Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-08-26 21:48:28 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
At least another 5 years.

If they don't **** everyone off by making arbitrary and unnecessary changes against the wishes of the playerbase.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Kudos12345
Doomheim
#91 - 2014-08-26 21:56:36 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


This is a very important point. There has never been a direct competitor to Eve. Sometimes I think this is shame because nothing drives improvement and removes complacency like a bit of competition.



QFT

For me to leave EVE there has to a single shard MMO where thousands of players can duke it out whenever they want to, a game that kicks you in the balls mercilessly if you make a mistakes and smiles while it does it and it has to do those things better, name one game like that on the market. There is some eye candy out there but as for Starcitizens which from everything Ive seen offers twitch level play well there goes the single shard universe out the window, you think eve is click and point for no reason my understanding is that twitch like play takes up way more server resources than is feasible for a single shard no player cap limit servers to handle, those sorts of games are way out in the future, if EVE could do it it would its just not technically feasible. I would love if there was an EVE killer out there but the fact there isn't and its unfortunate that EVE in terms of as far as I am concerned after eleven years still leads the market in a single shard no mercy open world design.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#92 - 2014-08-26 21:56:47 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
One of the major reasons I quit playing Lotro (which I loved and played for nearly 3 years) was not for any 1 or 2 major issues, but the accumulation of many many issues which ultimately when put together, made me no longer enjoy the game.

The straw for me was a small change in a particular skill, it was just a small change but it was enough to push me over the edge.

Material Efficiency => Advanced Industry

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#93 - 2014-08-26 22:51:47 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
NO THIS IS NOT AN 'EvE IS DYING' THREAD! I BELIEVE THAT EvE IS VARY MUCH ALIVE ATM!

I hope that EvE will last many more years, but all good things must come to an end at some point whether it's because the servers will shut down or because too few people will play EvE as it becomes unpopular.

So my question is, how many years do you think that EvE will last?




Pointless question really, your guess is as good as anyone else's.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#94 - 2014-08-26 23:10:22 UTC
It will probably take a decade for the forum-warriors to realize the servers have been offline.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#95 - 2014-08-26 23:46:29 UTC
August - Breeze wrote:
EVE is already in decline and with every blunder like everyone's overview being erased, the decline will speed up. I hear most people say they have no faith in CCP and that CCP does not know what they are doing.

EVE is only still alive because there is no good alternative and not because EVE itself is that good. If a new decent space sim type game comes out, EVE will be dead in a year.



Maybe you should check out some other games as eve offer alot more features and stability, support than nearly every game ive played, they actually sort issues and change the game in ways it creates better gameplay, unlike other games which just try to pry more money from you in the way of microtransactions as "new content"

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#96 - 2014-08-27 03:17:25 UTC
I'll just leave this here....

http://eve-offline.net

Approaching 2008 average player levels. Certainly looks healthy to me. Cool

"Self help is all in your head"
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#97 - 2014-08-27 05:43:51 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
NO THIS IS NOT AN 'EvE IS DYING' THREAD! I BELIEVE THAT EvE IS VARY MUCH ALIVE ATM!

I hope that EvE will last many more years, but all good things must come to an end at some point whether it's because the servers will shut down or because too few people will play EvE as it becomes unpopular.

So my question is, how many years do you think that EvE will last?


You are asking a question and then telling people that its not a thread about their answer if it differs from yours.

Par for the course up in GD.

My answer? Eve is dying, a year tops.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Demerlis
Blue-Fire
#98 - 2014-08-27 05:49:04 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


Gevlon Goblin, who spouts a whole ton of propaganda, but occasionally comes up with some hard numbers, has posted graphs showing the declining activity across the board, but it is most pronounced in high sec.



Did DInsdale just cite Gevlon Goblin as a reliable source of information?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#99 - 2014-08-27 07:07:26 UTC
Demerlis wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Gevlon Goblin, who spouts a whole ton of propaganda, but occasionally comes up with some hard numbers, has posted graphs showing the declining activity across the board, but it is most pronounced in high sec.

Did DInsdale just cite Gevlon Goblin as a reliable source of information?

This IS general discussion, so ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2014-08-27 07:08:57 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Eve has a core of players that will not drop this game. They have too much invested in it (in several ways), and will simply fund alts with the vast reserves of ISK they have available.

But the casual players, they are leaving, and CCP seems just fine with it.
Let's see what the PCU is like in late Sept, and we will see the real gauge of the damage done with Crius and Hyperion.


By their very definition of being casual, they were never going to stick around to begin with. Why would, or why should, CCP have a problem with that?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104