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Disallowing PLEX on PUBLIC contract

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Anthar Thebess
#81 - 2014-08-26 06:37:36 UTC
Just for limiting the RMT , removing plex from game could be good.
Move it to separate system in account management where you can transfer / sell / use plex.
Something easy to create and control for ccp.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
#82 - 2014-08-26 07:00:35 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Just for limiting the RMT , removing plex from game could be good.
Move it to separate system in account management where you can transfer / sell / use plex.
Something easy to create and control for ccp.


This could actually solve the issue and the issue with null sec stations where sov is lost and plex stuck.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-08-26 08:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Every time I read the nonsense in this thread I get frustrated so I go and suicide gank... I'll feel better after seeing a few ships go boom... Then someone bumps the thread so the viscous cycle continues...
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#84 - 2014-08-26 08:33:49 UTC
This thread is so full of idiots. Removing PLEX from the game won't combat RMT, it will encourage it. Preventing RMT was the reason PLEX was introduced in the first place.

Do you all drink antifreeze, or what? PLEX is fine, you're all just bad at EVE. Go get scammed again.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
#85 - 2014-08-26 08:35:46 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
This thread is so full of idiots. Removing PLEX from the game won't combat RMT, it will encourage it. Preventing RMT was the reason PLEX was introduced in the first place.

Do you all drink antifreeze, or what? PLEX is fine, you're all just bad at EVE. Go get scammed again.


Noone said anything about removng plex from the game.....

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

Anthar Thebess
#86 - 2014-08-26 08:41:17 UTC
Ynot Eyob wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Just for limiting the RMT , removing plex from game could be good.
Move it to separate system in account management where you can transfer / sell / use plex.
Something easy to create and control for ccp.


This could actually solve the issue and the issue with null sec stations where sov is lost and plex stuck.


You can use Plex located at any station in the universe via assets.
You know about this?
Anthar Thebess
#87 - 2014-08-26 08:42:20 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
This thread is so full of idiots. Removing PLEX from the game won't combat RMT, it will encourage it. Preventing RMT was the reason PLEX was introduced in the first place.

Do you all drink antifreeze, or what? PLEX is fine, you're all just bad at EVE. Go get scammed again.


Don't offend other players, please.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
#88 - 2014-08-26 09:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ynot Eyob
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Ynot Eyob wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Just for limiting the RMT , removing plex from game could be good.
Move it to separate system in account management where you can transfer / sell / use plex.
Something easy to create and control for ccp.


This could actually solve the issue and the issue with null sec stations where sov is lost and plex stuck.


You can use Plex located at any station in the universe via assets.
You know about this?


I didnt, and apparently the guy who made the comment about sov and contract didnt eighter.

Then i deffently stand by my OP. Eighter remove plex from public contracts or redo the UI so even tiret people see the YOU PAY part propper.

My concern are still the lose of players who fall for the scam, and not being able to log into the game next day.

I dont mind scams, I dont mind ganks, Corp theifes what ever, but scams which can affect if a player not being able to play anymore i do mind.

Then people can brag about how much money they have to pay for their subs, but for alot of people EVE online is the community where they can relax their brain from RL for a few hours and have fun with their friends. Getting scammed being stupid or not, it still affect some people in RL, as some are getting cut of being able to play, relax and have fun with their friends.

The finance crises in the US 2010 was a bloody good example where we as an alliance helpped quite a few people with plex so they could conteniue play, due the ammount loosing their jobs ect.

EVE is full of ME people, where everything around them is all about ME, those people wont see the effect a scam like this could have in RL not a pixel game, nore would they relize or care if a member of their team is missing.

I care

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

Fr3akwave
Nasranite Watch
Marine Division
#89 - 2014-08-26 10:09:55 UTC
So... this thread is about protecting the one in a million guy who

  • has no friends
  • has no money
  • is getting divorced
  • is moving
  • has EVE as his last resort before suicide
  • and THEN falls for a PLEX scam because his desperation makes him uncautious


And because of that you want to remove all public PLEX-contracting from the game?

I mean... if this actually happened to someone he is a poor soul and if he really has friends in EVE they will help him out, but really, don't be ridiculous. And no, PLEX is never ever real money. You can save some real money by using PLEX and you can buy PLEX for r.m., but it is not r.m. and will never be r.m. ever after that. Unless you start doing RMT, but then not being able to subscribe is you smallest concern.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
#90 - 2014-08-26 10:52:43 UTC
Fr3akwave wrote:
So... this thread is about protecting the one in a million guy who

  • has no friends
  • has no money
  • is getting divorced
  • is moving
  • has EVE as his last resort before suicide
  • and THEN falls for a PLEX scam because his desperation makes him uncautious


And because of that you want to remove all public PLEX-contracting from the game?

I mean... if this actually happened to someone he is a poor soul and if he really has friends in EVE they will help him out, but really, don't be ridiculous. And no, PLEX is never ever real money. You can save some real money by using PLEX and you can buy PLEX for r.m., but it is not r.m. and will never be r.m. ever after that. Unless you start doing RMT, but then not being able to subscribe is you smallest concern.


Dont know where the RMT part comes in nore have to do with the topic. But for those who cannot afford to pay subs and have someone else by a plex which they with work can buy in game, will in the end have a RL money value for that person, and he can save RL money.

Iv been playing online games since 1996, and i assure you, its not one in a million, just in the 581 members we have within alliance i can name quite a few, and know quite a few who have stopped playing due to the high plex prises atm.

Ya we are problally a bunch of loosers then and the 10 - 12 people are problally the only ones in EVE.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

Lothras Andastar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2014-08-26 13:46:59 UTC
Ynot Eyob wrote:

Iv been playing online games since 1996, and i assure you, its not one in a million, just in the 581 members we have within alliance i can name quite a few, and know quite a few who have stopped playing due to the high plex prises atm.

Ya we are problally a bunch of loosers then and the 10 - 12 people are problally the only ones in EVE.

2) Yes, you are a bunch of losers.

1) And that is because of Public Plex contracts how?

Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch.

Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
#92 - 2014-08-26 14:51:34 UTC
Ynot Eyob wrote:

Here we are talking about people who cant afford it. Iv seen people who have playing 2 - 3 years podded many times, but falling for this scam, and just cant afford to resub for RL money.


The time of people that can't afford to pay for EVE (most expensive option : $0.5 a day) would be better spent trying to improve their RL economic conditions. Scammers are doing these people a favor.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-08-26 17:24:06 UTC
Ynot Eyob wrote:

Then i deffently stand by my OP. Eighter remove plex from public contracts or redo the UI so even tiret people see the YOU PAY part propper.


From this it's obvious you either have problems understanding English or lack basic reading skills. I honestly feel bad you were scammed but it's not because of the game. You can change the language in Eve. If this is not your issue please consider either taking some classes or look online

I found this online but I'm sure there's more if you search
http://www.k5learning.com/reading-comprehension-worksheets


Now to the topic of victims being scammed and not being able to resub this isn't just exclusive to PLEX scams. Say I just got scammed out of a billion ISK with a margin trading scam and now I can't afford a PLEX to keep subscribed... Any scam could cause someone to be unable to resubscribe if they're using PLEX rather than real life money to pay.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#94 - 2014-08-26 20:06:02 UTC

No for several reasons:

1.) I don't believe PLEX should be some sacred cow that can't be used for scamming. Scamming is an important part of this game, and always has been.

2.) I have no sympathy for people that can't pay for their accounts. It is nice they can grind isk and swap it with some other person for Game time, but they aren't entitled to game time just because they grind. It is a balance, and if the going rate of plexes is too high for people to comfortably grind in a month, that means we have too many people trying to fund their accounts in that manner.

Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
#95 - 2014-08-26 20:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ynot Eyob
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

No for several reasons:

1.) I don't believe PLEX should be some sacred cow that can't be used for scamming. Scamming is an important part of this game, and always has been.

2.) I have no sympathy for people that can't pay for their accounts. It is nice they can grind isk and swap it with some other person for Game time, but they aren't entitled to game time just because they grind. It is a balance, and if the going rate of plexes is too high for people to comfortably grind in a month, that means we have too many people trying to fund their accounts in that manner.



1) I agree scamming is part of EVE and should be, just not on PLEX

2) if those people didnt exist, the sale on PLEX would drop badly, people not trading buy PLEX to save RL money

@ IIshira
I didnt get scammed, and i do pay for all my account and i do have 5 accounts

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#96 - 2014-08-27 23:46:53 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
This thread is so full of idiots. Removing PLEX from the game won't combat RMT, it will encourage it. Preventing RMT was the reason PLEX was introduced in the first place.

Do you all drink antifreeze, or what? PLEX is fine, you're all just bad at EVE. Go get scammed again.


Don't offend other players, please.


If other players are offended by my being blunt about the matter, it's not my problem.

The only way to think this thread is a good idea is to be suffering the effects of having consumed antifreeze, to be one of those in-denial players who should be in a themepark right now or to be a complete idiot.

Or all three.
Netan MalDoran
MANPENIS
NullSechnaya Sholupen
#97 - 2014-08-28 00:01:17 UTC
[quote=Ynot Eyob]Iv been around for 7 years now, and the ammount of good people who cant afford to play EVE with RL money work hard to buy a plex on the market./quote]

Stop right there, I want you to calculate the ISK/Hour that they are making, then convert that to real money.
99% guarantee they are making a lot less ISK/Hour playing EvE to grind ISK than they would if they had a minimal wage job for the same amount of hours.

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth

Zylona Femtov
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2014-08-28 07:21:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zylona Femtov
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Ynot Eyob wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ynot Eyob wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can't patch reading comprehension.

Besides, I know more than a few people besides myself who sell those legitimately.


Well why sell them on contracts legit when you can sell them on the market, regardless buyer have to go to station o pick it up, even in 0.0 where i assume more would be seen on legit contracts


Because the market has a tax associated with it, while contracts have considerably less in fees. Same reason you would (and should) station trade them, save that you can do it over great distances and don't have to be online to sell it.

So, I have a question for you. What's wrong with scamming?


Nothing is wrong with scamming, but something is wrong with scamming with PLEX as it have people stop playing, when they lose everything. People often buy their plex once their sub is about to run out. Think they buy a plex on contract legit and get scammed often leave them with nothing left to pay for their subs.



Public contracts for plex seem to have a number of roles.

1. Scamming
2. Identifying a user who has just bought a plex or ten and blowing their arse up when they undock.Shocked
3. Can't think of any more.

If CCP believes it will affect their profitability, they will deal with it at a time of their choosing. Our opinions have no relevance, and until they do Jita local will stay as "delightful"What? as ever.

Top tip that every new player should be told, if there is a public contract in Local, or you can buy it in the market but it's a bargain contract, it never ends well for you.

But Those people have my sympathy, it sucks.


I agree with your statement, PLEX should be only on the market or private contract only.
That would give stability to that market.

On that point I don't understand CCP.

Plex is a huge rent for them, it should not be subjet to scam.

It's not an ordinary item, it's made from real money.



Another idea, on the market PLEX should be free of tax.
As I said, its not an ordinary Items.
Fourteen Maken
Karma and Causality
#99 - 2014-08-28 07:36:30 UTC
Ynot Eyob wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ynot Eyob wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can't patch reading comprehension.

Besides, I know more than a few people besides myself who sell those legitimately.


Well why sell them on contracts legit when you can sell them on the market, regardless buyer have to go to station o pick it up, even in 0.0 where i assume more would be seen on legit contracts


Because the market has a tax associated with it, while contracts have considerably less in fees. Same reason you would (and should) station trade them, save that you can do it over great distances and don't have to be online to sell it.

So, I have a question for you. What's wrong with scamming?


Nothing is wrong with scamming, but something is wrong with scamming with PLEX as it have people stop playing, when they lose everything. People often buy their plex once their sub is about to run out. Think they buy a plex on contract legit and get scammed often leave them with nothing left to pay for their subs.



Most of the scams I've seen do give a plex they just add an extra zero onto the price. It only affects people with 7-8bil in their wallet, and they do come out with another month playing time one way or the other.

Anyway just pointing that out, I don't really care either way I'm not taking sides; I despise scammers, and their victims in equal measure.
Fr3akwave
Nasranite Watch
Marine Division
#100 - 2014-08-28 08:48:05 UTC
There are another few thoughts on this from my side...

1. If a person plays eve a whole month and is barely able to grind that plex he must literally be doing nothing but that and extends his subscription for nothing but next months PLEX grind. Is that really fun (and realistic)? Besides, as soon as you can fly L4 missions or incursions it really is not a matter of magic, even if PLEX price was at 1b. Rather a matter of 2 days a month. If people are playing this game for longer than 3 months and are unable to accomplish that, i feel sorry for them, but they probably are playing the wrong game for them.

2.
Quote:
2) if those people didnt exist, the sale on PLEX would drop badly, people not trading buy PLEX to save RL money

Yeah, but those people exist, and they exist in big amounts. While at the same time i believe that said persons are not the persons we are talking about but rather people who refuse to pay real money because they "don't have to so don't want to".

3. if you want to attach real money value to PLEX, every other ingame item is real-money too because by selling it, it can be converted to PLEX. That is the one major reason why you must not differentiate between PLEX and other ingame items with respect to their real money value!

All this is still no reason to ban public PLEX contracts at all. There is no problem. The only problem with those contracts is greed and the lack of reading comprehension. I can post a picture for you if you want, but i think CCP cant make it any more obvious that it currently is.

Everything you PAY is RED and has a big bright red headline "YOU PAY" on top of it. Everything you GET is GREEN and has a big bright green headline "YOU GET" on top of it. If you are unable to tell them apart and accept a scam contract, the problem is not within the game, the problem is yourself.