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Did CCP make a colossal BUSINESS mistake by banning Somer?

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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#1 - 2014-08-26 13:40:02 UTC
While I wait for the patch to load, I thought I'd pose this question, which I haven't really seen discussed.

Here's a hypothetical:

Someone invents a very popular new game that has almost nothing to do with EVE. (An out-of-EVE gambling game, for instance.)

In order to play this game, you must periodically buy EVE PLEX with real currency from CCP or an authorized reseller.

Thousands of people buy thousands of PLEX they wouldn't have otherwise bought and the only real effect on EVE is that trillions of ISK accumulate in an account or twelve and sit there doing not very much.

To me, that's a freakin' bonanza for CCP. That bonanza is gone.

Am I wrong?
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-08-26 13:41:35 UTC
AkJon Ferguson wrote:
which I haven't really seen discussed.
You obviously didnt really look.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2014-08-26 13:43:32 UTC
Compromising the integrity of your business would have been the bigger mistake, especially after the trust was already damaged by the first incident.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#4 - 2014-08-26 13:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
AkJon Ferguson wrote:


Am I wrong?


Yes. Station services probably should have cleaned the clone vat better before you were conceived.

And... IBTL

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Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#5 - 2014-08-26 13:46:56 UTC
Once you establish a precedent for rules exemption for one guy, simply because of their size, then the rules cease to be enforceable because everyone else will (rightly) protest that they have to follow them when others don't.
Liza Apinea
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-08-26 13:47:22 UTC
Discussing moderation blah blah blah blah enjoy the lock.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#7 - 2014-08-26 13:48:18 UTC
Somer was banned for breaking CCPs rules. It's not a business mistake to enforce your own rules.
Faeana
iD00M
#8 - 2014-08-26 13:57:03 UTC
Faeana
iD00M
#9 - 2014-08-26 13:59:29 UTC
Also, what if the real business mistake was made by somer?

Afterall, he could have still earned money using the scheme without offering the isk incentive rmt work around. Now he gets nothing.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2014-08-26 14:04:30 UTC
Nope, not in the least.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2014-08-26 14:08:57 UTC
I feel that a single “no" would be a little too short an answer.
So: lmao no. Lol
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#12 - 2014-08-26 14:10:42 UTC
CCP's decision will keep Tom Gerard around for years to come.


Now with 100% less Troll.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2014-08-26 14:14:09 UTC

Oh,dear,he's on the gotee again.
Try not to engage, there's no telling what he's going to do when he's off the wagon.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#14 - 2014-08-26 14:14:48 UTC
AkJon Ferguson wrote:
While I wait for the patch to load, I thought I'd pose this question, which I haven't really seen discussed.


It was discussed, multiple times and for many many MANY pages. Literally trillions of electrons were terribly inconvenienced by the length of the discussions on this topic.

AkJon Ferguson wrote:
Here's a hypothetical:

Someone invents a very popular new game that has almost nothing to do with EVE. (An out-of-EVE gambling game, for instance.)

In order to play this game, you must periodically buy EVE PLEX with real currency from CCP or an authorized reseller.

Thousands of people buy thousands of PLEX they wouldn't have otherwise bought and the only real effect on EVE is that trillions of ISK accumulate in an account or twelve and sit there doing not very much.

To me, that's a freakin' bonanza for CCP. That bonanza is gone.

Am I wrong?


Here's a totally hypothetical situation in no way related to any real life events which may (or may not) have already (or potetially could) occurred.

Here's the tl;dr: Somer got caught with his hands in the cookie jar. For the second time. CCP (rightly) decided that giving him a second pass for the same transgression would probably do a significant amount of collateral damage to their reputation and their ability to enforce their own EULA and TOS. Some is not, as much as he would like to have us believe, a victim or a matyr. He actively decided to break the rules, and as a result, got banned.

Hooray for justice.
Long live CCP.

Can we let this go now, ffs?

Eve is a multi player game. And you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#15 - 2014-08-26 14:15:58 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
CCP's decision will keep Tom Gerard around for years to come.




And Xuixien, too.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-08-26 14:17:04 UTC
CCP could also hike their sub by 100%.


Some things are better than money.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#17 - 2014-08-26 14:19:53 UTC
Absolutely Not Analt wrote:
... Literally trillions of electrons were terribly inconvenienced by the length of the discussions on this topic.
I might have to borrow this one. Big smile
Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#18 - 2014-08-26 14:21:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Absolutely Not Analt
Aiwha wrote:
CCP could also hike their sub by 100%.


Now that would be a colossal business mistake.

Derrick Miles wrote:
Absolutely Not Analt wrote:
... Literally trillions of electrons were terribly inconvenienced by the length of the discussions on this topic.
I might have to borrow this one. Big smile


Feel free, it's not mine - I saw it first on (iirc) a science forum that I frequent. Scientists are amusing chaps. Big smile

Eve is a multi player game. And you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
Arec Bardwin
#19 - 2014-08-26 14:37:50 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
CCP's decision will keep Tom Gerard around for years to come.
Logged for future reference in your ragequit thread.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-08-26 14:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
AkJon Ferguson wrote:
Thousands of people buy thousands of PLEX they wouldn't have otherwise bought and the only real effect on EVE is that trillions of ISK accumulate in an account or twelve and sit there doing not very much.


Somer made $135k from September 2010 to May 2013 with Shattered Crystal. At 8% commission, that's $1.6mn in GTC sales from him in 3 years. It's a nice amount of money but over that timespan it's a drop in the bucket for CCP, considering that GTC sold by a retailer like SC or MD is purchased wholesale from CCP.

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