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"How Highsec miners threaten EVE, and how we can stop them."

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Sasha Nyemtsov
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-08-25 13:16:49 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:
Hysteria helps no-one.


I beg to differ



Hysterical!

Of course, I meant 'Hysteria in an Eve Online Forum Thread tends to obscure otherwise well-made points'. Thanks for the injection of succinct humour though.

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Captain Brace
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-08-25 13:46:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I wouldn't go so far as to say 'highsec miners' are the issue. It's a pretty broad generalization used to target a bunch of loud people. Also you guys are starting to get pretty creepy with your role play.


So weird, so creepy. It all just seems like way too much effort.
Gadon Longstar
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-08-25 13:58:34 UTC
James 315 is the biggest threat to EVE. If you think about the situation properly without being delusional, it's the only conclusion to come to.

He is responsible for several dozen unsubscribed accounts, perhaps over 100.

How many people have subscribed because of him by comparison? A couple dozen? loyalanon himself admitted they couldn't find any extra bodies for the alliance tournament if it was needed, so clearly it's not much more than that.

The worst part about James 315 is that he's created a very "us vs us" culture within EVE. It used to be us vs them. Them being the non-EVE MMO gamers.

James 315 has turned high-sec into an elementary school playground and it's killing the game.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#24 - 2014-08-25 14:01:19 UTC
Gadon Longstar wrote:
James 315 has turned high-sec into an elementary school playground and it's killing the game.


What James is doing is new.
EVE is dying.
Creating content is bad.

Very short post to have 3 baldface lies in it. Good job on the concision.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-08-25 14:37:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Gadon Longstar wrote:
James 315 is the biggest threat to EVE. If you think about the situation properly without being delusional, it's the only conclusion to come to.

He is responsible for several dozen unsubscribed accounts, perhaps over 100.

How many people have subscribed because of him by comparison? A couple dozen? loyalanon himself admitted they couldn't find any extra bodies for the alliance tournament if it was needed, so clearly it's not much more than that.

The worst part about James 315 is that he's created a very "us vs us" culture within EVE. It used to be us vs them. Them being the non-EVE MMO gamers.

James 315 has turned high-sec into an elementary school playground and it's killing the game.


To be fair those hundreds of people probably would have quit soon anyway. Blaming the guy who rallied people behind him to gank & bump miners is just a convenient excuse for you to somehow validate your reasoning. Also NPC corp alt created to call people names, lmao.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-08-25 20:42:53 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Gadon Longstar wrote:
James 315 is the biggest threat to EVE. If you think about the situation properly without being delusional, it's the only conclusion to come to.

He is responsible for several dozen unsubscribed accounts, perhaps over 100.

How many people have subscribed because of him by comparison? A couple dozen? loyalanon himself admitted they couldn't find any extra bodies for the alliance tournament if it was needed, so clearly it's not much more than that.

The worst part about James 315 is that he's created a very "us vs us" culture within EVE. It used to be us vs them. Them being the non-EVE MMO gamers.

James 315 has turned high-sec into an elementary school playground and it's killing the game.

I subscribed because of James 315, Erotica 1, and Psychotic Monk, and I know at least 20 people personally that can say the same, some of whom I have brought to the game or encouraged to stay.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#27 - 2014-08-25 20:55:14 UTC
I think the real threat is the players who live in hisec, choose to do nothing remotely related to in-space PvP, and then whine to CCP about the fact that game mechanics don't conform exactly to their limited, other-MMO-inspired play-style.

EvE is a PvP game. Everyone vs. Everyone. Don't like it? There's the biomass button.

Yes, this has driven some players out. But it's also what makes EvE unique, and it is what will keep it alive in the long run.

Gadon Longstar wrote:
James 315 is the biggest threat to EVE. If you think about the situation properly without being delusional, it's the only conclusion to come to.

He is responsible for several dozen unsubscribed accounts, perhaps over 100.

How many people have subscribed because of him by comparison? A couple dozen? loyalanon himself admitted they couldn't find any extra bodies for the alliance tournament if it was needed, so clearly it's not much more than that.

The worst part about James 315 is that he's created a very "us vs us" culture within EVE. It used to be us vs them. Them being the non-EVE MMO gamers.

James 315 has turned high-sec into an elementary school playground and it's killing the game.

Says the player posting from a week-and-a-half-old forum alt. At least James 315 and CODE. members post openly. You should try it sometime.

Also, check eveoffline.com for the current number of total subscriptions. I know they're not all active, but when you look at it in that context, 100 is an absurdly piddly number.

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Syssa Binchiette
#28 - 2014-08-25 21:20:55 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I think the real threat is the players who live in hisec, choose to do nothing remotely related to in-space PvP, .


It's almost like they are playing how they want. Like in a sandbox...



Yes I took only part of your quote because that sentiment is widely expressed and hypocritical.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#29 - 2014-08-25 21:26:52 UTC
Syssa Binchiette wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I think the real threat is the players who live in hisec, choose to do nothing remotely related to in-space PvP, .


It's almost like they are playing how they want. Like in a sandbox...



Yes I took only part of your quote because that sentiment is widely expressed and hypocritical.

Ignoring the part where I actually say that the problem is people whining to CCP about their self-limited play-style, and not actually their self-limited play-style, pretty much undermines your point about hypocrisy.

Please, quote my statements in context, or don't quote them at all.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#30 - 2014-08-25 21:34:19 UTC
Confirming: James 315, Erotica 1, Psychotic Monk, Cannibal Kane... these players kept me subbed when I was bored, lost, and on the verge of unsubbing.

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Sasha Nyemtsov
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-08-25 22:10:24 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Confirming: James 315, Erotica 1, Psychotic Monk, Cannibal Kane... these players kept me subbed when I was bored, lost, and on the verge of unsubbing.


Absolutely this. What the Carebears of Highsec seem to want is the removal of non-consensual pvp in the regions in which they choose to operate.

In the meantime, I can imagine them being quite satisfied with the sort of thing you're faced with in the initial dialogues of several single-player FPS games I know. You get to choose Easy, Normal or Hard. You don't get to opt for 'no baddies at all'.

If you come to a complex game, expect complexity. The Devs and Suits have laboured long and hard over making this game the deeply engaging and rewarding experience it can be. Perhaps that is the real challenge for the Highsec Carebear; he wants Eve to adapt itself to suit him, and not the other way around.

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Syssa Binchiette
#32 - 2014-08-26 00:22:38 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I think the real threat is the players who live in hisec, choose to do nothing remotely related to in-space PvP, and then whine to CCP about the fact that game mechanics don't conform exactly to their limited, other-MMO-inspired play-style.

EvE is a PvP game. Everyone vs. Everyone. Don't like it? There's the biomass button.

Yes, this has driven some players out. But it's also what makes EvE unique, and it is what will keep it alive in the long run.



Full quote: still hypocritical

EVE is NOT a PVP only game. Don't like it? COD is calling. Or for an MMO try Aion, that has tons of PvP.

CCP created a supposed "sandbox" game where players could do what they liked.
In that sandbox they threw toys other then just PvP.

Miners are going to mine (don't know why, it's boring as hell).
Explorers are going to explorer.
industrialist are going to make stuff
Traders are going to trade.
Haulers are going to haul.
PvP people are going to shoot each other.
PvE people are going to shoot rats.
Gankers are going to be idiots.

Groups that don't like what other groups do just have to get over it.

As arguing on a forum is as useful as banging your head into a brick wall (which is not useful at all and I speak from personal experience) I'll just fade out and let the usual suspects fight amongst yourselves.

P.S. Bumping in it's current form is a bug they never fixed. Watching someone get "bumped" is like watching the messed up physics in Goat Simulator, but I digress

It's only water, in a stranger's tear. Looks are deceptive, but distinctions are clear. A foreign body and foreign mind; never welcome in the land of the blind.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#33 - 2014-08-26 00:36:10 UTC
Syssa Binchiette wrote:
EVE is NOT a PVP only game. Don't like it? COD is calling. Or for an MMO try Aion, that has tons of PvP.

CCP created a supposed "sandbox" game where players could do what they liked.
In that sandbox they threw toys other then just PvP.

Miners are going to mine (don't know why, it's boring as hell).
Explorers are going to explorer.
industrialist are going to make stuff
Traders are going to trade.
Haulers are going to haul.
PvP people are going to shoot each other.
PvE people are going to shoot rats.
Gankers are going to be idiots.


FYI, every one of those activities you listed pits the player engaging in the activity against other player(s).

Quote:
Groups that don't like what other groups do just have to get over it.


That, or do something about it. That's the thing about a multiplayer sandbox. You can do what you like and *so can everyone else.* That includes messing with each other.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#34 - 2014-08-26 02:29:41 UTC
Syssa Binchiette wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I think the real threat is the players who live in hisec, choose to do nothing remotely related to in-space PvP, and then whine to CCP about the fact that game mechanics don't conform exactly to their limited, other-MMO-inspired play-style.

EvE is a PvP game. Everyone vs. Everyone. Don't like it? There's the biomass button.

Yes, this has driven some players out. But it's also what makes EvE unique, and it is what will keep it alive in the long run.



Full quote: still hypocritical

EVE is NOT a PVP only game. Don't like it? COD is calling. Or for an MMO try Aion, that has tons of PvP.

CCP created a supposed "sandbox" game where players could do what they liked.
In that sandbox they threw toys other then just PvP.

Miners are going to mine (don't know why, it's boring as hell).
Explorers are going to explorer.
industrialist are going to make stuff
Traders are going to trade.
Haulers are going to haul.
PvP people are going to shoot each other.
PvE people are going to shoot rats.
Gankers are going to be idiots.

Groups that don't like what other groups do just have to get over it.

As arguing on a forum is as useful as banging your head into a brick wall (which is not useful at all and I speak from personal experience) I'll just fade out and let the usual suspects fight amongst yourselves.

P.S. Bumping in it's current form is a bug they never fixed. Watching someone get "bumped" is like watching the messed up physics in Goat Simulator, but I digress



If you want to do any of those things without interruption, try the test server, where there is no market.

There are no actions in EVE that are not putting you against other players.

Especially industrialists. I make most of my ISK from tech 2 production, and I harbor no illusons that this is not PVP. Everyone else that produces the same goods as me is my enemy, and every one of them I can ruin is a major victory.

Building Ishtars is as legitimate a form of PVP as a fleet battle in nullsec, or ganking a miner, or competing to hack a lowsec site before predators find you, or stalking a wormhole solo looking for targets of opportunity.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#35 - 2014-08-26 03:02:36 UTC
Syssa Binchiette wrote:

Groups that don't like what other groups do just have to get over it.


No, that's not true at all. Since it's a sandbox, we can go out and do something about it. Which is exactly what's happening.

You all, on the other hand, refuse to actually play the game, so you are simply chew toys for people who do.

That is your lot in life, unless you decide to stop acting like a prey animal.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Balron Slayer
Ancient Adventurers
#36 - 2014-08-26 05:24:25 UTC
Buddy of mine lives in Nullsec (Providence), he is actually safer there than Hisec or Lowsec! Why do people think that playing in Nullsec means you have balls? Also many of the people there who are not taking part in a group fights seem to be flying around in cheap ships to minimize losses.

I'm not saying that miners in Hisec should be able to compete with nullsec miners, but I am saying don't blow the difficulty of nullsec out of proportion.
Orchid Kell
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-08-26 07:59:09 UTC
Gadon Longstar wrote:

He is responsible for several dozen unsubscribed accounts, perhaps over 100.

How many people have subscribed because of him by comparison? A couple dozen? loyalanon himself admitted they couldn't find any extra bodies for the alliance tournament if it was needed, so clearly it's not much more than that.


Actually I resubbed partly because of him. He showed me that people in this game are creating content, forcing player interaction and being vigilantes against botters.

Mining is not boring, you're boring. Read a book or something. Or you could try to be productive and play the regional market, or multi-box a whole operation, or roleplay and forum troll.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-08-26 11:20:20 UTC
Just to speak it out, this is just some codie boring propaganda thread.

Its the rookies that mine in highsec pro-miners and pro-botter know theirs systems in low-, null- and even highsec. Another thing is, that pro-miners in highsec know what to do, to avoid any gankers.

So it all comes back to:
codies are carebears, that only fight the weakest beginners and drive them out early. those rookies are not the danger that those clowns try to draw on the wall. botters in highsec use skiff and procurers, those are not very often victims to codies.

content?
thats content of a trashcan.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#39 - 2014-08-26 11:37:32 UTC
Balron Slayer wrote:
Buddy of mine lives in Nullsec (Providence), he is actually safer there than Hisec or Lowsec! Why do people think that playing in Nullsec means you have balls? Also many of the people there who are not taking part in a group fights seem to be flying around in cheap ships to minimize losses.

I'm not saying that miners in Hisec should be able to compete with nullsec miners, but I am saying don't blow the difficulty of nullsec out of proportion.



Yeah, he's safer, because his safety is maintained by himself and his allies being actively vigilant (rather than being AFK and relying on NPC space police, who aren't even there to "protect")

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Balron Slayer
Ancient Adventurers
#40 - 2014-08-26 12:19:24 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Balron Slayer wrote:
Buddy of mine lives in Nullsec (Providence), he is actually safer there than Hisec or Lowsec! Why do people think that playing in Nullsec means you have balls? Also many of the people there who are not taking part in a group fights seem to be flying around in cheap ships to minimize losses.

I'm not saying that miners in Hisec should be able to compete with nullsec miners, but I am saying don't blow the difficulty of nullsec out of proportion.



Yeah, he's safer, because his safety is maintained by himself and his allies being actively vigilant (rather than being AFK and relying on NPC space police, who aren't even there to "protect")


Why do you assume everyone in Hisec is AFK? I know there are BOT's, but not everyone is.

PS: He isn't safer due to his allies, he routinely takes Exploration trips into enemy territory (such as Catch) and other than the choke points, many of the systems are empty. Lowsec is more "dangerous" than nullsec. Want to have CCP really make lowsec and nullsec dangerous? Make local chat work like it does in wormholes, then it will be 100x harder to detect a hot dropper entering the system for example. Risk vs reward, right?