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Caldari wiped out of FW?

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David Coverdale
Akhragan Excavation LLC
#1 - 2014-08-25 19:35:15 UTC
At present moment, there remains only 1 system controlled by Caldari in faction warfare (Ladistier). Even the most devoted low-sec Caldari pvp'ers could not protect their home systems from the Gal invasion, but there doesn't seem to be any forum activity regarding this fact.
Did I miss something?
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-08-25 19:40:34 UTC
Yes.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Quentin Marshall
#3 - 2014-08-25 19:49:00 UTC
I don't understand how Caldari didn't take at least a couple systems back to prevent 100% warzone dominance. They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-08-25 19:53:41 UTC
Quentin Marshall wrote:
I don't understand how Caldari didn't take at least a couple systems back to prevent 100% warzone dominance. They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.

You assume there's somewhere we can't reach, or that we wouldn't move to counter them as soon as we noticed. Remember, even if you're going for a headshot, it takes about 2 days of plexing unopposed to flip a system.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#5 - 2014-08-25 20:03:54 UTC
A lot of former Cal Mil are in Gal Mil now so I guess they are winning.

Pras Phil.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#6 - 2014-08-25 20:21:59 UTC
Lol the tear posts on this subject by calmil noobs. Probably some people on the calmil side figuring out what they are doing wrong and not posting.

Anyway, the best fixes can come from CCP. The best we can hope is that CCP disconnects the lp from higher tier system they've set up, and no one ever again takes the entire warzone. Better to have continual push pull than wild swings progressing to an inevitable down and out. Straight

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-25 20:28:11 UTC
Quentin Marshall wrote:
I don't understand how Caldari didn't take at least a couple systems back to prevent 100% warzone dominance. They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.

Quite simple. The swarm of gal alts dplexing is far greater than caldari members combined.
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#8 - 2014-08-25 20:29:16 UTC
Pushing Calmil out will mean that us in GalMil will be free for the true objective.... claiming Nullsec systems FOR THE FEDERATION!
Arla Sarain
#9 - 2014-08-25 21:03:46 UTC
Quentin wrote:
They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.

No one can be bothered to babysit a system 18 hours per day and make sure they don't deplex everything you just plexed.

Structure bashing was probably the most fun thing Gallente did in the last month, so them talking about our "tears on this subject" posts is amusing. Tryhards.

inb4 QQ more.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#10 - 2014-08-25 21:27:22 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Quentin wrote:
They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.

No one can be bothered to babysit a system 18 hours per day and make sure they don't deplex everything you just plexed.

Structure bashing was probably the most fun thing Gallente did in the last month, so them talking about our "tears on this subject" posts is amusing. Tryhards.

inb4 QQ more.

See, this is what I'm talking about. What is this I don't even. Maybe if you figured out how to fight and hold your home systems you wouldn't be in this situation.

We did, and we withstood your hordes of farmer alts (which btw you've always had more of until the last month or so) and siege attempts on our base systems . Anyway, view this as a favor for both of us. Maybe CCP will realize that increasingly rewarding the faction with the upperhand, through consistently increasing lp with each tier, is the dumbest way to run a perpetual war.

There should be built in emergency braking as the steep downhill looms closer. Plenty of rp and backstory rationales could be used to explain it. Planetary rebellions in conquered territories accumulate strength over time, or supply lines and war funds become stretched as the complete victory comes closer. Whatever. This situation can be fixed by CCP. Whether you lot will realize what you are doing wrong and actually fix it who knows.

And, btw, it's been a blast of pvp. Only not with calmil. Which is the true tragedy of the situation.Straight

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Arla Sarain
#11 - 2014-08-25 21:47:07 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
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I don't see what you are talking about. We did figure it out - sorry we don't have an advantageous time-zone spread and an abundance of time to compete over the little bar in the top left corner.
How many farmers have actually been relevant ever since the plex changes? I mean people joining Caldari to plex farm are the same people who have a hanger in Jita and constantly ask if Tama is clear. Those are typically new people who join to "try out PvP and earn some cash on the side" but end up flying some borke risk averse fit that doesn't really farm plexs well and all it does is warp out as soon as they hear the engagement beep.

Caldari farmers are extinct, not Squids. Same squids that were playing are the same ones logging on now. And there aren't/weren't as many as you keep repeating we have. It's flattering even.
Aves Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-08-25 22:36:22 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:
Quentin wrote:
They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.

No one can be bothered to babysit a system 18 hours per day and make sure they don't deplex everything you just plexed.

Structure bashing was probably the most fun thing Gallente did in the last month, so them talking about our "tears on this subject" posts is amusing. Tryhards.

inb4 QQ more.

See, this is what I'm talking about. What is this I don't even. Maybe if you figured out how to fight and hold your home systems you wouldn't be in this situation.

We did, and we withstood your hordes of farmer alts (which btw you've always had more of until the last month or so) and siege attempts on our base systems . Anyway, view this as a favor for both of us. Maybe CCP will realize that increasingly rewarding the faction with the upperhand, through consistently increasing lp with each tier, is the dumbest way to run a perpetual war.

There should be built in emergency braking as the steep downhill looms closer. Plenty of rp and backstory rationales could be used to explain it. Planetary rebellions in conquered territories accumulate strength over time, or supply lines and war funds become stretched as the complete victory comes closer. Whatever. This situation can be fixed by CCP. Whether you lot will realize what you are doing wrong and actually fix it who knows.

And, btw, it's been a blast of pvp. Only not with calmil. Which is the true tragedy of the situation.Straight


Or, you know, those of us in Gal Mil could just stop constantly pushing Cal Mil out of every home they try and make and thus causing all the problems you claim CCP should be responsible for. But why take ownership when you can blame someone else \o/
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#13 - 2014-08-25 22:58:10 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
I don't see what you are talking about. We did figure it out - sorry we don't have an advantageous time-zone spread and an abundance of time to compete over the little bar in the top left corner.
How many farmers have actually been relevant ever since the plex changes? I mean people joining Caldari to plex farm are the same people who have a hanger in Jita and constantly ask if Tama is clear. Those are typically new people who join to "try out PvP and earn some cash on the side" but end up flying some borke risk averse fit that doesn't really farm plexs well and all it does is warp out as soon as they hear the engagement beep.

Caldari farmers are extinct, not Squids. Same squids that were playing are the same ones logging on now. And there aren't/weren't as many as you keep repeating we have. It's flattering even.

TZ differential has nothing to do with it. With 6000 to 9000 toons in your militia you've had plenty of numerical tz coverage. It is the quality of that TZ coverage that has been your downfall. But then you appear to already know that, since you mention the Jita centric pve types and the constant "is the Tama gate clear?" crowd. I pity you for having to deal with those types. We have them too, but probably not in the numbers you do.

Yeah, I see some of you same guys out there fighting. I'm happy you're still there. I even miss the Happy Endings guys. It was fun to fight Calmil and not the pirate entities. However, you are still missing something collectively that has led you to this unpleasant position again. It's been said in many threads but you keep not fixing it, and I'm not going to blurt it out for you again.

CCP needs to implement some fixes to the lp farming portions of the equation. But you guys need to realize what you are doing wrong strategically as well.

Maybe we will have a better system, and more enjoyable fights in the future. That is what we all hope for. Until then sorry to put you into highsec. But it is the stated goal of this portion of the game. SO we have to pursue it to the end. Smile

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#14 - 2014-08-25 23:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
Aves Enderas wrote:
Or, you know, those of us in Gal Mil could just stop constantly pushing Cal Mil out of every home they try and make and thus causing all the problems you claim CCP should be responsible for. But why take ownership when you can blame someone else \o/

I'd rather have a game opponent that eventually learns through tough knocks to the point where they actually become a real challenge to beat, than one I can just keep boringly beating up on so much that I play other games all the time. vOv

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-08-25 23:15:36 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
Aves Enderas wrote:
Or, you know, those of us in Gal Mil could just stop constantly pushing Cal Mil out of every home they try and make and thus causing all the problems you claim CCP should be responsible for. But why take ownership when you can blame someone else \o/

I'd rather have a game opponent that eventually learns through tough knocks to the point where they actually become a real challenge to beat, than one I can just keep boringly beating up on so much that I play other games all the time. vOv


Start enjoying playing other games for a whole 6-12 months.
Arla Sarain
#16 - 2014-08-25 23:35:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Deacon Abox wrote:
With 6000 to 9000 toons

These numbers are useless.

You have slightly less as far as statistics are concerned, but where the fudge are they? They are ghost alts. You shouldn't even use militia chat numbers as a metric. They are people that never commit, never get involved, and are largely irrelevant.

The blunt reality is, you have about 60 people playing consistently, a recent boom in activity.
We have about 40 people playing spread pretty thin. Sometimes we manage to get 60 and go do a fight or two with you if everyone is feeling like messing around 14j out with plenty other nuances.

The End.
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#17 - 2014-08-26 00:26:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Cromwell Savage
Are squids complaining of plexing alts?

Hahahahahahahahahaha! Now that is funny!


FW is dead regardless...broken mechanics that encourage kicking the other side out of lo-sec. Absolutely brilliant!!!!!

Edit - As long as docking rights are tied to occupancy, I'm done with FW. Five years to go from complaining that there were not enough squids in lo-sec to actively kicking them out.... What a waste.
sytaqe violacea
Choir of morning
#18 - 2014-08-26 02:37:37 UTC
Recently, I persuaded my friends to return to Calmil after they got tired being pirate for 3 months.
And now, they has trouble re-deploying. Where did Calmil move to after losing their home system?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#19 - 2014-08-26 03:01:07 UTC
We're taking Ichoriya next.
Yuri Antollare
Moira.
#20 - 2014-08-26 03:09:10 UTC
sytaqe violacea wrote:
Recently, I persuaded my friends to return to Calmil after they got tired being pirate for 3 months.
And now, they has trouble re-deploying. Where did Calmil move to after losing their home system?



Rumors abound as to some variant of hi-sec or non-FW lowsec. You would have thought that once they lost Kinakka, those squids would have just collapsed back to the next home system and so forth and so forth. For some reason though when the going gets tough over there they prefer to just drop FW or move to hi-sec.

There were at least two of the sieges that would have been swung/lasted too long for us if the squids had engaged in even some basic moves helping each other out.

It is what it is though, they'd prefer to give up and talk about the farming alts that took Kinakka, or the Gall deplexing alt that killed all the Diesel corp squids pushing up the backwater systems threatening the WZ push.
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