EVE General Discussion

We have a faction large POS turret ( shadow large railgun ) with plutonium; theoretically optimal range should be around 200km. Still, when testing it against a non-moving battleship at that range, the damage is REALLY small. The sig resolution for that faction gun is about the size of the battleship, so it should deliver full damage. Anything we are doing wrong ?

Seems a little light on the details. Which one of the multiple large shadow railguns you had, what ship you had, what fit the ship had, what skills does the pilot have, what was the damage you did and so forth. The more details you provide the easier it will be for outsiders to spot the likely cause for the reported result.

OK my mistake, i should have specified more clearly that i am talking about a POS turret.



At optimal range, it was my understanding that the falloff effect should be minimum.



There is only one type of shadow large railgun battery. The battleship had 80-81% armor tanking against the damage types delivered by the plutonium ammo.



On all tests the average of dps was much lower than expected. I mean, should it be possible for a regular battleship to solo tank 3 large faction pos turrets at optimum range ?!

What is the attribute that makes them less efficient against battleships ? Reading the specs and the forum posts i take it is sig resolution. which for regular X turrets is 1000, and that makes them indeed inefficient against BSs. However for faction turrets it is 400, which is the sig resolution for regular medium turrets, so it should deliver full damage to smaller targets. That is what makes faction turrets more valuable than the regular ones.

Sig resolution 400. sig radius for a BS around 400 also

http://eve.battleclinic.com/calculators.php#tracking

at 60 m/s it is 51.81 chance to hit.

Doesnt matter - in our tests always hits and the BS does not move. It just hits with a VERY small amount of damage.

D'oh. Quite right. I was looking at the wrong stat.

wait, did CCP actually changed rails back when they made that rebalancing pass a couple years ago or so?

also, you don't usually use rails. their extreme range isn't really that useful, afaik.

POS are pretty terrible for defenses.

The guns do so very little damage. Takes 4 guys manning POS guns, webs and points to even killa a scythe.

If you manage to kill anything bigger, it usually went AFK (for an hour)

Some things:

1. POS guns are generally terribad. They haven't been adjusted since they were first released, and the EHP of ships has been steadily climbing since then.

2. POS guns are mis-labelled. Small POS guns are cruiser-sized weapons, Medium POS guns are battleship-sized weapons, and Large POS guns are capital-sized weapons. This means that there are no anti-frigate guns (just cruiser guns and webs) and that Large POS guns are pretty much worthless in hisec because you'll never see a target big enough for them to effectively hit.

3. You say that your battery has a signature resolution of 400m, but I would bet money that this is a typo and is actually 1000m like other large turrets. Still, this doesn't explain why you are having such a hard time hitting a stationary battleship within your battery's optimal range. I'm kind of at a loss here.

4. Despite still being overall bad, unbonused projectile turrets are better than bonused hybrid turrets. Swap out your hybrid turret batteries for projectiles, and you'll be much happier. (Unbonused ACs are generally better than bonused pulse lasers because of their falloff, but bonused beam lasers are about on par with unbonused projectiles.)

5. Do not, under any circumstances, use missile batteries. They do, roughly, a whopping 20 DPS each to stationary battleships, and they also shut down when the tower is reinforced, unlike every other gun battery.

Unless you're working with a large Deathstar POS (which I doubt, otherwise you wouldn't be here asking), I would stick to small and medium guns.

Doomsday* Batteries?

I like it....


*Old-school AoE, make all yer fleet BSs fit two plates and obscene resists Doomsday, not the targeted capital-killers we have now.