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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2014-08-24 19:23:13 UTC
People still buy Alienware? I thought people become smart enough ages ago to stop buying overpriced stuff...
Oh well..

You should be fine with those specs.
Prince Kobol
#82 - 2014-08-24 19:33:30 UTC
Hehe, my 2 year old mid range run of mill nothing special rig runs 5 clients of Eve without hitch.
ashley Eoner
#83 - 2014-08-25 02:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Andski wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
HUEHUEHUE CAUSE USiNG a STandARd disk With 650 MB or 4.7 GB of sToraAGe iS toTALly the same As an Antiquated rarely used DiSK That HaZ 1.44 MB Storage!!!


maybe you haven't noticed this but optical discs are very much going obsolete

they're all but obsolete in music, they're entirely obsolete for software distribution and the only place they're likely to survive in for the near future is in video

Maybe you haven't noticed but there's a big difference between going obsolete and having been obsolete for over two decades.

Yet for some reason the 60 machines I opened up over the last couple days all had DVDs and CDs in the box. Even the monitors came with CDs. Odd that...



Personally I would wait for ddr4 to become standard and for haswell-e to have a chance to penetrate the market. No sense buying into an old tech (ddr3) while new tech is starting to become the norm.

Eve really isn't hardware intensive. I've seen 11 clients run at +20 FPS on a dual core for god's sake.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#84 - 2014-08-25 03:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Sneekeypete NZXT wrote:
Your 6mo jargain is quite funny and moronic.
What's particularly funny and moronic about it is that it is actually you who brought it up, and you who got upset to the point of becoming hostile and abusive when it was pointed out how moronic it was.

The really funny part, though, is that for all the foot-stoming and steaming frustration, you've still not been able to actually address my point…

Quote:
Also generally speaking people who can't prove a point or have no actual knowledge on a topic either try to do one of two things to make themselves look / feel big
They'll try to appeal to some kind of unproven expertise or they'll start insulting the other person and inject all kinds of strawman arguments. In cases such as yours, when they do both, you can be pretty much sure that they don't have any solid foundation for their ideas.

You have no point. You are just fawning over marketing. Your suggestions for what to buy are both worthless and useless and no amount of irrelevant credentials that you incorrectly think will help improve your believability alters this in any way. Oh, and if you get upset over being exposed as a very small kid, try not to make it as blatantly obvious by instantly becoming petulant and abusive as a pre-schooler when things don't work out the way you want them to. Just a tip for the rest of your life.

NEONOVUS wrote:
What would you recommend as a laptop for under 1.5k USD?

11" MacBook Air. But probably not for EVE since I wouldn't recommend a laptop for EVE to begin with.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#85 - 2014-08-25 03:19:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sneekeypete NZXT wrote:
Your 6mo jargain is quite funny and moronic.
What's particularly funny and moronic about it is that it is actually you who brought it up, and you who got upset to the point of becoming hostile and abusive when it was pointed out how moronic it was.

The really funny part, though, is that for all the foot-stoming and steaming frustration, you've still not been able to actually address my point…

Quote:
Also generally speaking people who can't prove a point or have no actual knowledge on a topic either try to do one of two things to make themselves look / feel big
They'll try to appeal to some kind of unproven expertise or they'll start insulting the other person and inject all kinds of strawman arguments. In cases such as yours, when they do both, you can be pretty much sure that they don't have any solid foundation for their ideas.

You have no point. You are just fawning over marketing. Your suggestions for what to buy are both worthless and useless and no amount of irrelevant credentials that you incorrectly think will help improve your believability alters this in any way. Oh, and if you get upset over being exposed as a very small kid, try not to make it as blatantly obvious by instantly becoming petulant and abusive as a pre-schooler when things don't work out the way you want them to. Just a tip for the rest of your life.

Wow, kind of sounds like the immature one there is you. Deep breaths. PC upgrades are not worth a rant.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#86 - 2014-08-25 03:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Derrick Miles wrote:
Yow, kind of sounds like the immature one there is you.
For pointing out that he hasn't actually addressed my point and only spouted abuse? Not really, no. If people can't stand being slapped down when they become abusive and laughably self-aggrandizing for no good reason, they could always take the simple route of staying quiet.

Quote:
Deep breaths. PC upgrades are not worth a rant.
You're talking about Sneekey here, I presume, since he's the one frothing at the mouth over PC upgrades — I'm simply commenting on his failed utter lack of argumentation.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#87 - 2014-08-25 03:32:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Yow, kind of sounds like the immature one there is you.
For pointing out that he hasn't actually addressed my point and only spouted abuse? Not really, no. If people can't stand being slapped down when they become abusive and laughably self-aggrandizing for no good reason, they could always take the simple route of staying quiet.

Quote:
Deep breaths. PC upgrades are not worth a rant.
You're talking about Sneekey here, I presume, since he's the one frothing at the mouth over PC upgrades — I'm simply commenting on his failed utter lack of argumentation.

If you can't see the antagonizing vocabulary you're using then you should really take a step back and get some perspective.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#88 - 2014-08-25 03:39:48 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
If you can't see the antagonizing vocabulary you're using then you should really take a step back and get some perspective.

If you can't see that I'm simply responding in (a rather toned-down) kind, you should step back and read the exchange from the start. vOv

Sure, I could try to not be trolled as easily, but if people insult me rather than offer a proper argument, they get ridiculed for the simple reason that they fully deserve it.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-08-25 03:49:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
ashley Eoner wrote:
Maybe you haven't noticed but there's a big difference between going obsolete and having been obsolete for over two decades.

Yet for some reason the 60 machines I opened up over the last couple days all had DVDs and CDs in the box. Even the monitors came with CDs. Odd that...


Hardware vendors package their products with driver CDs because they distribute globally. People in rural areas and in other places where high-speed Internet access is either unavailable or outrageously expensive would have a use for a driver CD. But most of their customers will simply download newer versions of those drivers from the vendor's website.

There are also specific cases where you need a driver on hard media, like loading HDD controller drivers in the Windows installer.

This is like saying that floppies were still in widespread use up until April of this year because the Windows XP installer required SCSI/RAID drivers to be loaded from a floppy.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#90 - 2014-08-25 04:01:19 UTC
Also here you go OP: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xHJdGX

more bang for your buck than that alienware

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#91 - 2014-08-25 04:25:35 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
WHat would you recomend for a replacement laptop?
The one I have now is an MSI GT780 DXR, but it managed to reduce the stock thermal paste to a dull blue grey GPU covering (IE I hit the breakdown point under normal load repeatedly)


You want dual fan cooling solution laptops that way both gpu and cpu have dedicated fans that dont share heatsinks.

Cooler by a lot quiet as well do t go slim versions you will shorten lifespan of components by half.

Have i7 , 870gtx m 6gb , 24gb ram pulls single client over 500fps.

And what do you use?
Also please be under 1500 USD, lie to me if you have to


Price tag

Site

That is me few months ago with some promo code got it under 1500$

Try newegg set price range 1000-1500 i don't think you can get both i7 4810 and 6gb GPU together,granted it have single ripjaw stick but that's cheap upgrade when done right.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
ashley Eoner
#92 - 2014-08-25 20:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Andski wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Maybe you haven't noticed but there's a big difference between going obsolete and having been obsolete for over two decades.

Yet for some reason the 60 machines I opened up over the last couple days all had DVDs and CDs in the box. Even the monitors came with CDs. Odd that...


Hardware vendors package their products with driver CDs because they distribute globally. People in rural areas and in other places where high-speed Internet access is either unavailable or outrageously expensive would have a use for a driver CD. But most of their customers will simply download newer versions of those drivers from the vendor's website.

There are also specific cases where you need a driver on hard media, like loading HDD controller drivers in the Windows installer.

This is like saying that floppies were still in widespread use up until April of this year because the Windows XP installer required SCSI/RAID drivers to be loaded from a floppy.
Drivers don't do anything without hardware and there's plenty of other obscure drivers that come with windows and other OSes. On the other hand these machines come with DVD drives like almost every new pre-built laptop and desktop machine. Absolutely none of the machines I opened had 1.44mb 3.5 inch floppy drives. That completely obliterates your entire attempt at rationalizing your foolish statement. Just admit you were being silly and stop with this sad attempt to be "right".



NEONOVUS wrote:
WHat would you recomend for a replacement laptop?
The one I have now is an MSI GT780 DXR, but it managed to reduce the stock thermal paste to a dull blue grey GPU covering (IE I hit the breakdown point under normal load repeatedly)



It's almost worthless to give you laptop suggestions with such a vague list of requirements.

Macbook are pretty much worthless when it comes to gaming. All you could do is office/school work on it. Gaming would be a joke as Apple uses low quality components outside of the screen. You pay a lot for little when it comes to most apple notebooks.

I suggest an asus ROG style notebook. But since you haven't given us any indication of what size you want and such I'm really just guessing.




Having said that my 600 dollar dell inspiron 15r se (7520) that I bought over a year ago plays multiple eve clients on the screen at 1920x1080 with +60fps (I also play wot mwo ffxiv tera l4d2 PoE and more). I got it for cheap by waiting for the proper deals to stack up and by playing with the website for a while. Dell like many other prebuilts have multiple prices on all their items. The price you see will vary depending on how you navigated to the price page. I was able to find the cheapest version then apply some limited length coupons along with a discount from my job to cut the price in half. Despite being a dell and cheap the laptop has survived daily treks to work and college along with some flights home.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-08-25 21:42:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
ashley Eoner wrote:
Drivers don't do anything without hardware and there's plenty of other obscure drivers that come with windows and other OSes. On the other hand these machines come with DVD drives like almost every new pre-built laptop and desktop machine. Absolutely none of the machines I opened had 1.44mb 3.5 inch floppy drives. That completely obliterates your entire attempt at rationalizing your foolish statement. Just admit you were being silly and stop with this sad attempt to be "right".


And plenty of laptops that don't, such as all Chromebooks, ThinkPad X-Series, MacBook Pros (hell, the only machine in Apple's lineup with an optical drive is the Mac Pro) and pretty much all thin & lights.

A lot of PCs came with parallel and serial ports as late as 2008, a decade after USB became standard. Serial is still used for managing network equipment and for out-of-band server management, for controlling CNC machines and other very specific uses, but it's still obsolete.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Paranoid Loyd
#94 - 2014-08-25 21:46:46 UTC
Confirming none of the 3 laptops I own have an optical drive.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
ashley Eoner
#95 - 2014-08-25 22:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Andski wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Drivers don't do anything without hardware and there's plenty of other obscure drivers that come with windows and other OSes. On the other hand these machines come with DVD drives like almost every new pre-built laptop and desktop machine. Absolutely none of the machines I opened had 1.44mb 3.5 inch floppy drives. That completely obliterates your entire attempt at rationalizing your foolish statement. Just admit you were being silly and stop with this sad attempt to be "right".


And plenty of laptops that don't, such as all Chromebooks, ThinkPad X-Series, MacBook Pros (hell, the only machine in Apple's lineup with an optical drive is the Mac Pro) and pretty much all thin & lights.

A lot of PCs came with parallel and serial ports as late as 2008, a decade after USB became standard. Serial is still used for managing network equipment and for out-of-band server management, for controlling CNC machines and other very specific uses, but it's still obsolete.

Duh? There might of been a specific reason why I kept my comment limited to a specific selection of machines that DON"T involve anything you listed.

What is your end game with this? Are you just that mad that you were proven wrong that you're desperate to catch me in some manner so that you can be right? How many alts are you going to bring into this so you can feel better? Just get over it. You were wrong on the internet. No one but you really cares.


I do use a serial port for specific custom electronic devices though. Dumping eeproms etc is much easier over a serial.



Edit :

OMG DVDs and Bluerays are SOOOOO out of date only an idiot would buy one or buy a drive to play one. I mean seriously they are just like 3.5 and 5.25 drives in the level of outdatedness that they exist in!!! No new computers come with DVD or blueray drives because Clearly they are so outdated only an idiot would put one in a new machine. Small form factor for lyfe cause no one ever needs a large case for any reason!!!


You win sir clearly you are an amazing person with an amazing intellect and a perfect physique!
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#96 - 2014-08-25 23:12:13 UTC
I kinda want to build a new machine as well. Though I'm not sure even the upcoming Skylake i7 will be much of a noticeable improvement over my i7 930? Performance-wise anyway. Power-usage will be significantly better I guess. My computer is a friggen space heater when running 2 EVE clients.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-08-26 00:16:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
ashley Eoner wrote:
Duh? There might of been a specific reason why I kept my comment limited to a specific selection of machines that DON"T involve anything you listed.


And people actually buy them, use them and don't have a problem with the lack of an internal optical drive.

ashley Eoner wrote:
What is your end game with this? Are you just that mad that you were proven wrong that you're desperate to catch me in some manner so that you can be right? How many alts are you going to bring into this so you can feel better? Just get over it. You were wrong on the internet. No one but you really cares.


I don't have an "end game". Unlike you, I don't post with alts.

ashley Eoner wrote:
OMG DVDs and Bluerays are SOOOOO out of date only an idiot would buy one or buy a drive to play one. I mean seriously they are just like 3.5 and 5.25 drives in the level of outdatedness that they exist in!!! No new computers come with DVD or blueray drives because Clearly they are so outdated only an idiot would put one in a new machine. Small form factor for lyfe cause no one ever needs a large case for any reason!!!


You win sir clearly you are an amazing person with an amazing intellect and a perfect physique!


iTunes, Netflix, VUDU, CinemaNow, Google Play - need I go on?

And if I have to get a physical copy to watch a movie, I'll watch it from ten feet rather than two. As in, in my living room rather than at my desk.

I also didn't say that absolutely nobody anywhere needs an optical drive or large case. A lot of people need those things, but most people simply don't.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2014-08-26 00:16:23 UTC
So I did some more searching and found the MSI GE70 Apache Pro-012 and Sager NP7378 on powernotebooks up for customization

They both seem about equal in terms, but I am sure there is a difference
Oh and I am currently having to cool my current laptop with ice pacs due to the GPU having fried now
Yay technology.

Maybe for next trick I will turn water into electricity using only wire and aluminum foil.Roll
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#99 - 2014-08-26 00:43:09 UTC
Andski wrote:

And if I have to get a physical copy to watch a movie, I'll watch it from ten feet rather than two. As in, in my living room rather than at my desk.

I prefer to watch my DVDs on my computer. But that may be because I never bothered to buy a flatscreen TV. I still just have a 27" tube TV with which to watch my VHS tapes on, and occasionally play Super Nintendo. I could go buy a current TV... but SNES and VHS sucks on them. So I'd only use it for DVDs, which is maybe 1/3 of my movie collection. And then I'd have to find space for it somewhere. Or space somewhere else for the tube TV. Meh. Watch on computer. Computer does everything. All hail computer.

Andski wrote:

iTunes, Netflix, VUDU, CinemaNow, Google Play - need I go on?

Netflix and every other streaming service only seem to allow you to stream garbage most of the time. If you want anything good you gotta have a DVD mailed. And why spend money on a subscription service if you don't have to? I'd rather buy the few movies I like for $10 a pop and watch them whenever, than spend $11 a month for access to gobs and gobs of junk I don't care about, and own nothing.

Tonight is samurai night. *Grabs Seven Samurai and The Last Samurai off the shelf and slips one into the DVD drive on my full size tower*
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#100 - 2014-08-26 01:06:27 UTC
Meh optical or not its just another sata port to me,better to have one than not especially in lapy.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard