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Open letter to CCP: I fear for Eve's Future

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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-08-24 16:19:13 UTC
Dust and Valkyrie should be meaningfully implemented into the game. CCP can attract more players to EVE by doing more of what has never been done.

They should expand in the direction of FPS and dogfighting-sim as mechanics based on actual player skills are the only thing missing from EVE.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#22 - 2014-08-24 16:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Two lovely posts that reinforce my statement of the disgusting culture of the Eve community.

If it's not too much to ask, what was disgusting about their posts?

That's a fairly strong word to use for something as simple as a common reply to a very common thread theme. It doesn't appear disgusting in any way, nor reflective of the broader community.

To me, it isn't a case of disgusting v not disgusting in a lot of these threads, but more a case of regulars here v people that don't post much.

When you post regularly in the forums, it doesn't take long to see the same thing over and over and over again. After providing serious replies for the first umpteen times, it becomes tiring to continue to do so. That doesn't mean people don't care at all, just that everyone can have an opinion, many of which would disagree that EvE's future is in trouble.

From my own perspective, you are entitled to your view, just as the rest of us are, but I personally disagree with almost everything you wrote. However, that doesn't mean I think or would imply that you are disgusting, just for having a different opinion and I hope that once one of those other games comes along, you find it good for what you want to do. These are just games afterall. Not something to be worked up over.

I bet you each of those people in the first three replies would be more than happy to have an engaging, well thought out discussion. Each of them is a well respected, regular contributor here and in no way disgusting.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#23 - 2014-08-24 16:24:22 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
mechanics based on actual player skills are the only thing missing from EVE.


No.

Player skill should never, EVER, be a replacement for forming relationships and gangs with other players in EVE Online.

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2014-08-24 16:24:45 UTC
"Dear Coke, I'm starting to get used to your flavor and have recently looked into Pepsi and all the wonderful things it provides. It causes me concern that Coke may become worthless if it doesnt change to be more like pepsi."
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#25 - 2014-08-24 17:01:10 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:

With a plethora of new space sims coming out, I have given Star Citizen a chance on Friday. I began diving further into it. More and more I find out about the game is that it is EVERYTHING I wanted Eve to be. There is only one snag on it though, the full release is expected for Q3/Q4 2016. In the meantime, I have access to the Alpha and Beta modules.


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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#26 - 2014-08-24 17:04:06 UTC
This message is mainly directed at OP.
I am not leaving this thread yet (at least another 10 minutes).
No you cannot agree to disagree.

Every now and then you hear the Doomsayers saying "shiptoasting is dying". Shiptoasting is not dying, it has been growing in quantity, but I fear for it's future. I have been reading the forums since 2006 or so and one thing is for sure, shiptoasting is not the same game it used to be. I recently started following the mmorpg.com EVE forums more in depth and even got a basic account package; it's everything I wanted the EVE forums to be.

I started reading this thread five minutes ago. I came across this thread by searching for 'eve is dying' and 'will kill eve', and this thread was the only thread which was somewhat what I was looking for. This is not to say I don't like this thread, but there are just so many problems with it.

1. Lock and F1 works fine in 99% of cases so this is obviously not an issue
2. The server racks are bolted to the floor, so despite being a bit topheavy, balance has never been an issue for EVE
3. How can something be good and disgusting that doesn't even make any sense
4. "EVE is static". A second ago EVE wasn't the same game it used to be.
5. Your mother is old, that doesn't mean you put her down and find a new one.
6. "Void in the space genre". Ha ha, I get it.
7. Six items is not "so many problems".

Defending EVE can be fun, but for the most part all it is is one liner responses to mindless posts. There is a lot of skillful posting out there I have seen, but there is more of mindless nonsense. This is undeniably dull.

The most obvious problems in this thread are the content and grammar. There are entire books on this so I won't even name a few.

I think the second problem with this thread is this paragraph. The OP may be one of the smartest people out there, but counting is not his strong suit. If you name six problems, a further one problem is not the second. I can guarantee without editing this post that none of the first reponses spotted this. There is just a culture of generalising, without even reading the OP in detail (not to be confused with non-consensual walls-of-text). This is actually good and efficient for the community because every thread like this is the same anyway.

Being confused, you are talking about procedural generation for missions, to make the game less static. However, EVE has quite possibly the most free, meaningful and consequential interaction between players in any MMOG. If you actually want dynamic content, there is no substiture for other human beings. So it sounds like you are actually looking for a dynamic single player game.

EVE is old. Players have been able to accumulate more wealth than you. Players have done everything before you: taking sov, losing it, ganking, lowsec, militia, everything. Thus you think something is wrong with the game because you are not the richest and first in everything. Again, you are looking for a single player game. This also somehow has something to do with the code being ancient, which it isn't necessarily because it is constantly being worked on, and how it is getting more inefficient, as if code becomes old and forgetful and has its hair turn white as it ages.
None of this has anything to do with anything or makes any sense. Honestly, I would look into making Thread 2.

With a plethora of hangar simulators coming out, you have found that EVE is not actually the game you are looking for. Thus you fear for it's future because while you aren't leaving yet, eventually you will. You realise other people will stay, as EVE is the game they are looking for, yet somehow the fact that it has lost it's shine in your eyes makes you believe that CCP need to develop something new rather than just patching EVE.

The reality is, CCP's attempts to expand EVE or move beyond it have met with... limited success (see: Incarna, DUST, WoD). 'Just patching EVE' has in fact been demonstrated to be the best option for CCP for now. EVE will be fine, and I hope that when it does eventually die, it will be a graceful decline wherein it stays true to its roots and still has a dedicated core of fans present to see it off, rather flailing and thrashing in a pointless attempt to reinvent itself back into relevance achieving nothing but to alienate those who once cared for it.

Good luck with whatever game you end up playing, and wait what the **** this was supposed to be a joke post what happened.

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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#27 - 2014-08-24 17:09:42 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
This message is mainly directed at OP.
I am not leaving this thread yet (at least another 10 minutes).
No you cannot agree to disagree.

Every now and then you hear the Doomsayers saying "shiptoasting is dying". Shiptoasting is not dying, it has been growing in quantity, but I fear for it's future. I have been reading the forums since 2006 or so and one thing is for sure, shiptoasting is not the same game it used to be. I recently started following the mmorpg.com EVE forums more in depth and even got a basic account package; it's everything I wanted the EVE forums to be.

I started reading this thread five minutes ago. I came across this thread by searching for 'eve is dying' and 'will kill eve', and this thread was the only thread which was somewhat what I was looking for. This is not to say I don't like this thread, but there are just so many problems with it.

1. Lock and F1 works fine in 99% of cases so this is obviously not an issue
2. The server racks are bolted to the floor, so despite being a bit topheavy, balance has never been an issue for EVE
3. How can something be good and disgusting that doesn't even make any sense
4. "EVE is static". A second ago EVE wasn't the same game it used to be.
5. Your mother is old, that doesn't mean you put her down and find a new one.
6. "Void in the space genre". Ha ha, I get it.
7. Six items is not "so many problems".

Defending EVE can be fun, but for the most part all it is is one liner responses to mindless posts. There is a lot of skillful posting out there I have seen, but there is more of mindless nonsense. This is undeniably dull.

The most obvious problems in this thread are the content and grammar. There are entire books on this so I won't even name a few.

I think the second problem with this thread is this paragraph. The OP may be one of the smartest people out there, but counting is not his strong suit. If you name six problems, a further one problem is not the second. I can guarantee without editing this post that none of the first reponses spotted this. There is just a culture of generalising, without even reading the OP in detail (not to be confused with non-consensual walls-of-text). This is actually good and efficient for the community because every thread like this is the same anyway.

Being confused, you are talking about procedural generation for missions, to make the game less static. However, EVE has quite possibly the most free, meaningful and consequential interaction between players in any MMOG. If you actually want dynamic content, there is no substiture for other human beings. So it sounds like you are actually looking for a dynamic single player game.

EVE is old. Players have been able to accumulate more wealth than you. Players have done everything before you: taking sov, losing it, ganking, lowsec, militia, everything. Thus you think something is wrong with the game because you are not the richest and first in everything. Again, you are looking for a single player game. This also somehow has something to do with the code being ancient, which it isn't necessarily because it is constantly being worked on, and how it is getting more inefficient, as if code becomes old and forgetful and has its hair turn white as it ages.
None of this has anything to do with anything or makes any sense. Honestly, I would look into making Thread 2.

With a plethora of hangar simulators coming out, you have found that EVE is not actually the game you are looking for. Thus you fear for it's future because while you aren't leaving yet, eventually you will. You realise other people will stay, as EVE is the game they are looking for, yet somehow the fact that it has lost it's shine in your eyes makes you believe that CCP need to develop something new rather than just patching EVE.

The reality is, CCP's attempts to expand EVE or move beyond it have met with... limited success (see: Incarna, DUST, WoD). 'Just patching EVE' has in fact been demonstrated to be the best option for CCP for now. EVE will be fine, and I hope that when it does eventually die, it will be a graceful decline wherein it stays true to its roots and still has a dedicated core of fans present to see it off, rather flailing and thrashing in a pointless attempt to reinvent itself back into relevance achieving nothing but to alienate those who once cared for it.

Good luck with whatever game you end up playing, and wait what the **** this was supposed to be a joke post what happened.


+1 Good poast.

Here, have some likes.

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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-08-24 17:17:16 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
I read "I'm quitting the game" and then "no you can't have my stuff" so I'm just writing off your opinion and not even reading. So some carebear is whining and quitting EVE and doesn't even care about the community enough to make charitable donations of his items who's usefulness is soon to be void.



I've given people things before. I just won't give anyone all of my stuff if I quit.. Because let's admit it. I might come back.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-08-24 17:28:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
TheMercenaryKing wrote:

Eve is Old. Players have been able to accumulate dumb amounts of wealth. Players have done all that before: taking sov, losing it, ganking, lowsec, militia, everything. The games code is ancient and becoming more and more inefficient. Honestly, I would look into making Eve 2.


someone literally hasnt read a single devblog. Ya know thye big industry overhaul? yeah, theyre doing something like that for every mechanic in the damn game. No i will not be nice about it. Tired of people bitching about "old code thats never been fixed/upgraded/repalced", in truth alot fo their code has been replaced on multiple occasions, and right now they are replacing the oldest and most difficult parts of it.

So this point right here, is wrong, completely.

*Edit*, also, EVE 2 would be a good way for CCP to go out of business. building a new game is hard, and telling rpetty much everyone in EVE 1 that "yeah, your **** dont matter, were starting it all over" would be a good way to give the community an even bigger finger since monocle-gate. there would be no recovering from it.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-08-24 17:32:39 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
mechanics based on actual player skills are the only thing missing from EVE.


No.

Player skill should never, EVER, be a replacement for forming relationships and gangs with other players in EVE Online.

actually, most eve players are a FAN of "1 dude who knows what hes doing can beat 5 dumbasses at once, but 6 would overwhelm him", thats kinda the whole reason skills are relegated to a max of lvl 5, so you can gang up on older players, or outskill them, without SP beign a primary decider.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-08-24 17:43:17 UTC
Can I have your corp name?


You didn't say in your OP that I couldn't..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Dave Stark
#32 - 2014-08-24 18:02:25 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Assuming star citizen isn't just a hilarious scam.


i think, by now, we all know that it's the greatest scam of the century.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-08-24 18:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vortexo VonBrenner
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
...fill the void in the space genre

I see what you did there...


I bought into the star citizen thing a while ago. I was kind of looking forward to the dogfighting module release and the promised rapid progress afterwards....aaaand - *meh* I'll check on star citizen in about a year, see if they're actually getting somewhere.

11 years and counting of an actual playable game with a rich player-made history vs. alpha, good ideas that are not made, lots of fan hype...hmm

I'm going with the 11 years +

Wouldn't get too exited were I you and "turn", OP...

EVE isn't going anywhere anytime soon. (™?)

Actually...at this point star citizen is going to have to be pretty impressive for me to even play it...in a few years...after release delays.

Have fun waiting.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#34 - 2014-08-24 18:40:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
I like how people are suggesting dog-fighting and fpsing in eve, like its an easy thing to do or that the technology to do it is available.

I would subscribe to the theory that neither of those things are actually true.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-08-24 18:47:47 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
crumplecorn



dude, you came back? holy ****.

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Big Lynx
#36 - 2014-08-24 19:02:11 UTC
Xavier Holtzman wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:

With a plethora of new space sims coming out, I have given Star Citizen a chance on Friday. I began diving further into it. More and more I find out about the game is that it is EVERYTHING I wanted Eve to be. There is only one snag on it though, the full release is expected for Q3/Q4 2016. In the meantime, I have access to the Alpha and Beta modules.


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Best reply ever!! Good laugh, good laugh.
Rezan Tepet
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-08-24 19:08:58 UTC
To sum up the retorts in this thread: A game in release is worth two in alpha.

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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-08-24 19:19:49 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:


Eve is Old. Players have been able to accumulate dumb amounts of wealth. Players have done all that before: taking sov, losing it, ganking, lowsec, militia, everything. The games code is ancient and becoming more and more inefficient. Honestly, I would look into making Eve 2.




Grab your stuff, pack your bag, shut up and get the hell out of here. Some things I may or may not have agreed on but this little thing you said *.... Honestly, I would look into making Eve 2... "

Seriously... How old are you? You may be above 20 but your immaurity for making such a statement makes me believe your younger than 15 years old who've gotten tired of playing WoW on daddys credit card.

Probably the dumbest post I've seen all week.
Boyamin
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2014-08-24 20:05:04 UTC
Good post. I don't think the community is really that bad, but it's a young crowd, and young people post a lot of insensitive crap... so that's what you tend to see more of. I do however disagree with SC being anything more than lot's of hot air.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2014-08-24 20:12:04 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Speaking for myself, I quite enjoy being called disgusting. Absolutely disgusting, o-er, behave Oops

Good luck to Star Citizen though, hopefully their community will be mature, respectful and wildly boring.


Rumors have it that there is already people preparing to gank the **** out of SC-Beginners once it launches...

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