EVE General Discussion

You don't actually get the DPS that is listed on the fitting window. This is because of the Rattlesnakes non-existant damage application bonuses. People who like to act like the Rattlesnake is some amazing DPS ship are fooling themselves. There really is no good reason to play it now since other ships do what it does better and its versatility has been gutted.

Thread is now 'Because of Falcon - 2014 Edition'.

I agree. He is horrible. He destroyed a playstyle on the Rattlesnake that was unique to ships in EVE. A passive shield-tanked torpedo fit that primarily used the optimal light and medium drone types and sometimes Warden IIs. Now torpedoes are no longer viable in most missions due to loss of missile velocity bonus and a -225m3 reduction in drone bay space means I can't carry the optimal medium or light drone type I want to use.

You can use a Gecko now to replace the loss of medium drones but its a heavy micromanagement burden since you can only lock 7 targets on a RS and have to lock each frigate and cruiser individually and then command the gecko on each individual target you want them to die before Battleships because the heavy drone AI on the gecko makes it always prioritize Battleships first, and usually the trigger. Gecko also does a terrible job at replacing bonused light drones.

I'd like to talk to you about my dinner, and why it's not as good as yours.

it's an empty plate, i feel that's why it's not very good.

(i left the food out of the discussion because i felt it'd be appropriate to compare my plate to your cooked meal)

The Vindicator projects damage at close range better than any HAC, and almost as well as some frigates.

Two Vindicator webs drops a hostile's speed to almost exactly 2%, which is equivalent to either increasing their sigrad by 4900%, or improving your own tracking by 4900%.

As long as it is stationary, a Vindicator can apply blaster damage to an afterburning frigate. The best any other battleship can do is a Dominix setting bonused medium drones onto the frigate.

For that reason, it's no problem that the Rattlesnake surpasses the Vindi at range.

Sorry, what's "my ship" ?

Try responding to what I posted instead whatever is going on in your imagination.

So… what… it shoots backwards at 8× the range?!
How does that even work? How does it determine what gets hit? And how on earth does it manage to go 880km when range is capped at 250? Aaaaaaaah!

the rattler is the gurista battleship folks, the vindi is the serp one.

also, who cares about pve?

pvp wise the serp lineup is pretty good. it is overshadowed by other hulls, but if anything it comes out a close second. only on frig hulls it kinda sucks, but that's because of the Dramiel being so damn easymode...

the Vigilant is a great heavy tackle, but the Ashimmu does it better. and that's mainly because of how strong Neuts are, if we consider webs only the vigilant makes ships go pop like no other. and if you cant fit your vigilant "properly" then do yourself a favor and stop trying to use ships with strong gang roles on solo pvp, please.

only on battleship hulls the Vindi is king, but that only because the Armageddon replaces the Baalghorn nicely, unless you are facing a Bhaalghorn... but in that case you are most likely on a Wormhole and your fleet brought your own Baalghorn. :D

Range forward on the roll axis is capped at +250.

Range backwards on the imaginary axis is not capped because "technical stuff".

They're not doing a good job at all. There are less viable fleet doctrines now than when they started tiercide. They've made whole classes irrelevant.