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Experiment 32423
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-08-23 13:26:05 UTC
To be completely honest, comparing the EVE community to the communities in other MMOs isn't really a fair comparison. You can usually expect to deal with someone in their 20s (or above), capable of constructing proper English sentences with an least average, if not above-average IQ.

Now, players in both types of communities might still **** you over in the worst possible ways, but it might as well be the guy described above, right?
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-08-23 13:37:13 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
So I managed to get into the Archeage closed beta and I logged in tonight. I usually try to get in the betas for most MMO's even if I don't intend to play them, just to get a feel for them and an overall feel for where the industry is heading.

Anyone who has played a couple MMO's can tell you that their general/global chat is the worst out of all the varieties of games that have large chat channels. The best MMO general chat is a filthy cesspit of depravity, bigotry and sexism at the best of times in comparison to pretty much any other variety of community at the worst of times.

I generally can ignore the worst of it. Tonight I blocked all of the global chat channels in Archeage in less than 5 minutes.

I haven't blocked anyone except for spammers in Eve, and no one on the forums. Thanks Eve community for keeping it classy. Blink



Every beta of a MMO I have played the chat has been like that. And they all change once the game goes live. But Eve douche baggery is eternal...do not forget..or you will find yourself a plaything for a bitter vet.
E Vile
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-08-23 16:29:36 UTC
Every village has their idiots Shocked
Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-08-23 16:59:19 UTC
I learned that 99% of Jita chat is a lie.

"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-08-23 17:02:38 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
John Ending wrote:
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
So I managed to get into the Archeage closed beta and I logged in tonight. I usually try to get in the betas for most MMO's even if I don't intend to play them, just to get a feel for them and an overall feel for where the industry is heading.

Anyone who has played a couple MMO's can tell you that their general/global chat is the worst out of all the varieties of games that have large chat channels. The best MMO general chat is a filthy cesspit of depravity, bigotry and sexism at the best of times in comparison to pretty much any other variety of community at the worst of times.

I generally can ignore the worst of it. Tonight I blocked all of the global chat channels in Archeage in less than 5 minutes.

I haven't blocked anyone except for spammers in Eve, and no one on the forums. Thanks Eve community for keeping it classy. Blink

ever been in local with anyone from TEST or PIZZA?


TEST local in innia was the absolute worst thing ever for both sides. Sad At least they mellowed out after a few weeks. They still do it for chest beating purposes.Roll
Outside of Innia, podding them solved the problem perfectly.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#46 - 2014-08-23 17:41:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Hadrian Blackstone
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I think there are a few things that help contribute to the EVE community being a tad more civil than others. One of them is the fact that the target audience tends to be a bit older than most other MMO's.
Another is the potential for real consequences in game for what transpires over channels and on the forums....
Whenever I see Cannibal Kane post with "Why hello there future war target." I can't help but feel a perverse mixture of delight and pity for the fate of the poor soul in question.



He chickened out on our corp


I would like just like to point out, You all left corp when I wardecced it.


Wow. What a load of crap.

I would like to point out that, the entire week we were wardecced, we planned for you to come, and instead you sat inside your station. The mighty Kane isn't so mighty after all, people. And no, NOBODY left the corp because you wardecced us, and I mean nobody.

By the way, do you enjoy my bio?
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#47 - 2014-08-24 03:20:33 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Thank the ISDs. This forum goes full-****** on a regular basis.

As for in-game chats, yeah, I can see that. It probably has something to do with the very broad meta in Eve. There's plenty of things to pick at and smack about in local, without having to resort to the more ridiculous stuff that we see in most other MMOs.

Either that, or you're just in the wrong chat channels. Big smile


Just doing our job. Thanks though, it's appreciated!

Also, I enjoy the EVE community. Always something interesting happening in it.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#48 - 2014-08-24 04:10:21 UTC
It because it's new. It's the wave of "must play the latest and greatest" group which tend to be the most self entitled, spoiled bunch there is. The self proclaim "1337" group. Compare what the chat is now with the same chat 4 or 5 years after release (after new games come out) and you'll see a world of difference.

I was there when GW2 first came out. Both in-game chat and the forums were horrid. Now it's quite tame.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Ilany
Nightingale Enterprises
#49 - 2014-08-24 10:44:15 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Irony.


The only irony is that we didn't need ISD volunteers manning the forums before Goons came along. Although I suppose it's more ironic that they've mellowed and appear relatively benign compared to the latest generation of inarticulate muppets.

We were such a nice community back in the day that we didn't even shoot pods. Much.
Solecist Project
#50 - 2014-08-24 10:47:06 UTC
Ilany wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Irony.


The only irony is that we didn't need ISD volunteers manning the forums before Goons came along. Although I suppose it's more ironic that they've mellowed and appear relatively benign compared to the latest generation of inarticulate muppets.

We were such a nice community back in the day that we didn't even shoot pods. Much.

That's not related to the goons per se,
but to the amount of people participating.

Even if it hadn't been the goons but just a huge bunch of different people
not actually somehow connected to each other, the effect would have been the same.

This happens literally everywhere once a critical mass of people is reached.


But it's easy to blame the goons for everything, I know.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-08-24 10:58:21 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Ilany wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Irony.


The only irony is that we didn't need ISD volunteers manning the forums before Goons came along. Although I suppose it's more ironic that they've mellowed and appear relatively benign compared to the latest generation of inarticulate muppets.

We were such a nice community back in the day that we didn't even shoot pods. Much.

That's not related to the goons per se,
but to the amount of people participating.

Even if it hadn't been the goons but just a huge bunch of different people
not actually somehow connected to each other, the effect would have been the same.

This happens literally everywhere once a critical mass of people is reached.


But it's easy to blame the goons for everything, I know.



IIany is right about one thing the Goons do seem to have mellowed. Might be in part due to there being less activity in GD from them these days.
Solecist Project
#52 - 2014-08-24 11:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Grog Aftermath wrote:
IIany is right about one thing the Goons do seem to have mellowed. Might be in part due to there being less activity in GD from them these days.
Mellowed?

I rarely see any goon activity anyway ... for ages. Considering the sheer amount of them,
one would expect them to be around in the hundreds.

Imagine they'd do that.


People don't seem to realise the sheer might the goons have just from their numbers
and they also do not realise that if they wanted, they'd just literally own these forums
with their opinions.


It's something one has to think about. The collective known as Goons can't be that bad per se,
first of all because different people do tend to have different opinions,
and second because people like you and me are still here writing,
without them flooding literally anything around here.

And they could do that. All they'd need to do is stick to the forum rules.

What CODE does with their propaganda machine is literally childsplay in comparison.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-08-24 11:12:07 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:
IIany is right about one thing the Goons do seem to have mellowed. Might be in part due to there being less activity in GD from them these days.
Mellowed?

I rarely see any goon activity anyway ... for ages. Considering the sheer amount of them,
one would expect them to be around in the hundreds.

Imagine they'd do that.


People don't seem to realise the sheer might the goons have just from their numbers
and they also do not realise that if they wanted, they'd just literally own these forums
with their opinions.


It's something one has to think about. The collective known as Goons can't be that bad per se,
first of all because different people do tend to have different opinions,
and second because people like you and me are still here writing,
without them flooding literally anything around here.

And they could do that. All they'd need to do is stick to the forum rules.

What CODE does with their propaganda machine is literally childsplay in comparison.



Some of their old posters we don't see anymore, used to be quite entertaining.

Iirc they kind of got bored with all the negative comments about them in GD, so prefer their own forum.


It always seemed to be rage towards The Goons, whereas CODE just seem to get laughter.
Ilany
Nightingale Enterprises
#54 - 2014-08-24 11:21:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ilany
Solecist Project wrote:

That's not related to the goons per se, but to the amount of people participating.
Even if it hadn't been the goons but just a huge bunch of different people not actually somehow connected to each other, the effect would have been the same. This happens literally everywhere once a critical mass of people is reached.


No. Nothing to do with "critical mass". Thousands of individuals were joining the EVE community every month. There were, of course, a few people behaving poorly, but they were isolated.

It only changed when we started getting large inter-connected groups joining at the same time; groups which had already developed their own identity separately. That could be a good thing - e.g. Ars Technica's first corp was very polite and constructive - or it could be a bad thing. An armchair psychologist might think it has something to do with where each group has formed its identity.

If I were to use an analogy it would be like filling a bath tub with a shower - lots of drops of water - the tub gets fuller but it doesn't change composition until you pour a bucket of sewage in.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#55 - 2014-08-24 11:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
I have played all the Archeage betas, and I haven't looked at general chat for more than a few minutes.
Why would I? I am too busy enjoying the game.
I am not sure what you are expecting to gain from getting absorbed in a general chat, seems like a waste of energy when you have paid money to actually play the game.
Play with friends, join a guild, use their chat.

On a side note, yes the EVE community is excellent :)

My channel: "Signatures" -
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#56 - 2014-08-24 11:24:28 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
I have played all the Archeage betas, and I haven't looked at general chat for more than a few minutes.
Why would I? I am too busy enjoying the game.
I am not sure what you are expecting to gain from getting absorbed in a general chat, seems like a waste of energy when you have paid money to actually play the game.
Play with friends, join a guild, use their chat.

Sounds like a multiplayer game, not an mmo.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#57 - 2014-08-24 11:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
Derrick Miles wrote:
Sounds like a multiplayer game, not an mmo.

I don't get your point. Following your logic EVE is not an MMO, since EVE has no general chat.

My channel: "Signatures" -
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2014-08-24 14:07:39 UTC
Just to toss my own opinion into the pile:

One thing that separates this game from many other MMOs is the level of passion that Eve players display about this game. Most other MMOs (witha few notable exceptions) live and die so rapidly they don't have time to develop the passionate communities that Eve has the privilege of possessing. To borrow a phrase, the MMO kiddies don' care about the game they're playing - they're far more interested in the next game on the horizon, and they change more often than porn stars change positions.

Eve has it's ass clowns - every community does - but the Eve community tends to be more self correcting than most once you move beyond what we might refer to as normal levels of asshattery.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#59 - 2014-08-24 15:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
De'Veldrin wrote:
Eve has it's ass clowns

General Discussion is just the best though.
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Some of their old posters we don't see anymore, used to be quite entertaining.

Iirc they kind of got bored with all the negative comments about them in GD, so prefer their own forum.


It always seemed to be rage towards The Goons, whereas CODE just seem to get laughter.

We've perfected the jabber loop, and now generations of newbees never even go on eveo unless someone puts a link there.

The perfect mousetrap

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Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#60 - 2014-08-24 19:30:30 UTC
Experiment 32423 wrote:
To be completely honest, comparing the EVE community to the communities in other MMOs isn't really a fair comparison. You can usually expect to deal with someone in their 20s (or above), capable of constructing proper English sentences with an least average, if not above-average IQ.

Now, players in both types of communities might still **** you over in the worst possible ways, but it might as well be the guy described above, right?


To be honest: Some of the worst people i know online, are the kind who are managers or similar, in their thirties in real life. I have some friends who game together, but while they are fun people out of the game, in the game they are the raging idiotic caps lock using abusive assholes everyone complains about. Age is not an indication of maturity online.

Ilany wrote:

No. Nothing to do with "critical mass". Thousands of individuals were joining the EVE community every month. There were, of course, a few people behaving poorly, but they were isolated.


The reason they are isolated, has more to do with there not being 1 general chat imo. I've seen the same things here as in any MMO. From begging to pure trollbait ("WOW was the first mmo"), some newer characters, some older.