EVE General Discussion

you want proof? YOU CAN'T HANDLE PROOF!

Troll.

Rather successfull, still obvious to spot.

You people are so oblivious and easy to manipulate,
it's not even fun anymore.

Eve Online always has someone complaining that something or other is over - under-powered according to the taste of the poster.

Whenever you discuss these sorts of things here you can't be assured half of the discussion isn't being driven by people who live off the advantage, or disadvantage afforded by the thing being criticized. One way to get a hint is their "logical argument" is laced with a certain amount of "personal attack."

I've always thought the ship webbing and warp scram were a bit on the woosified side. There's so much ficticious care to seem like some sort of adherence to the actual laws of physics is being followed, then we suddenly have a device that can penetrate shields, armor, structure, engine housing and just make it STOP. That is so funny. Why? Of course "So they don't get away!"

I've relentlessly pointed out in naval engagements historically, an actual "kill" is very rare. This of course doesn't appeal to a kill happy faction of players who insist on getting their blood NOW, 'cause they don't have time to chase somebody around. You take out webbers and scrams and a whole group of "mighty players" suddenly become commoners (including the CCP staffers who play) and we just can't have that now can we?

But yeah, we imagine you can goo inside someone's engine, but you have to pound the rest of the ship with high explosives for ten minutes to penetrate it (meaning: the physics of webs and scrams can be harnessed into oneshot weapons, but nobody's THOUGHT of THAT yet....right? Riiiiiiiiight.) And, this is all in fairness. I attacked you so I get to win. We won't have the "flight" portion of fight or flight ruin OUR fun, will we?

What's even more amusing is covert ops cloaks. It says right there on the label using more than one will somehow jibber up the fabric of time and space you seem to be distorting with your toy. One defeats the other. (Where they got that? Probably some episode of Star Trek.) Well, if that's true, why doesn't lighting up more than one magical webber, or magical scrammer do the same thing - cancel each other out?

Better yet, why doesn't turning on one of these unicorn devices just create an instant disruption of the area's time/space fabric creating an impromptu black hole swallowing up everybody there, and hurling them into oblivion? WHY? Because the addicts to these crutches will CRY LIKE BABIES ABOUT IT. WAAAAAAH. Not because of some LOGICAL REASON.

So. Go on with your discussion. I'm a big fan of other people's fantasies. I don't have any of my own.
We'll be serving cookies and milk later, kids.

Wrong...

I warped into one the other day, received no damage, burned through it and no damage was taken.

Of course no players were near the bubble at the time.....

CCP, may we please get a dislike button on the forums? The OP is a perfect reason why we need it.

The problem, OP is that anything they do to mitigate them will break them and make them useless. It's the story of EVE Online. So many mechanics are one way mechanics and while they create glass barriers the glass barriers are a facade. I've taken the time to make it through the bubble line and there isn't anything on the other side that makes it worth the effort. All the fight is on the bubble line. If you want PvP you don't need to go any further. Forget PvE because keep in mind, you need to come back through that jelly to make a pay day.

Another great example of npc alts providing excellent forum content.

Yes, they can't be avoided at all. Except for:

1. D-scanning gates in a system before you jump to them.
2. Checking the map for destroyed ships in the last hour.
3. Scouting ahead with a friend/alt.
4. Using a ship which renders bubble scramming irrelevant (T3 cruisers IIRC, possibly Blockade Runners?)
5. Using a ship which makes life hard for the gankers to lock you (cloakies, though I haven't tried this).
6. Using a ship with a high natural velocity.
7. Using wormholes, a system that almost ENTIRELY nullifies gate-camps and lets you move around with impunity.

I haven't "lived" in null-sec, so I don't really know what role they serve in large fleet engagements. But the most I'd concede is they're a bit cheesy, in terms of the detrimental effect they have on encouraging people to stay mining their whole life in 1.0 sec space.

Mind you, the more people sitting in 1.0 mining mindlessly, the less actually stealing my profits in low sec and 0.0, so that's good

Hitting a warp bubble and getting ganked by 15 people isn't fun, that doesn't mean it needs nerfing. It means you need to actually think about what you're doing before you do it.

yes it's never lupusalways trollin'


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