EVE General Discussion

Hey guys,

i just recently overlooked some stats and i'm kinda upset about the current state of pirate ships.
Almost all pirate ships were given a huge buff in the last expension, but serpentis were nerfed duo to the vigilant nerf and didn't receive anything.

So if we get a rattlesneak and a vindicator, we fit them both t2, both ships have around 1500 dps.
The difference is, the rattlesnake has those dps at 110km range and has alot more tank.

How can this be?
Serpentis are supposed to be the faction with the highest damage output, but recently everything gets buffed around them and they keep falling behind more and more. serpentis pirate ships have a reputation of being kickass, but the truth is that they would lose every 1vs1 against their brothers in the pirate section.

I just can't settle with the fact, that some Guristas Pirate Ship is doing the same damageoutput with missiles and drones at a huge range having rediculous tank then a damage speciallised Serpentis blaster and drones focused ship which a very short range and a comparable weak tank.

What do you guys think about the current state of serpentis ships?

(I left out the webbonus discussion, because mostly its strong against ships of smaller classes or kiting setups, but not when it comes down to pure 1vs1 brawl in your face actions, where serpentis are supposed to be better... well not anymore)

The rattle fits 1-2 target painters, and here we are.

And i was not talking about the fleetaspecs, i was just comparing the single ships:
- 900% less range with equal dps
- Unchangable damage types
- Alot weaker tank

Does that sound balanced to you?

Again, i wasn't talking about the fleet aspect, just about the fact that if you throw a vindi against e.g. a rattle, that the vindi has no chance of winning that fight at all. None. Not at 2km range and not at 80km range. Same goes for the Vigilant and comparable ships.

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You were saying something about anything being possible when your ship is Gallente and not Caldari? Try shooting me now.

Caldari, ruining your day since 2003.

That is absolutely not a realistic case. The vindicator is not a ship you pick up in big amounts and pack them into a fleet. A fleet needs a couple of them as support, not more. In big fleet battles, the rattlesnake is superior because it is suited for large scale doctrines, while on the other hand, have you ever seen rattlesnakes run incursion sites? No? Ive seen entire fleets of vindicators faceroll them like no other. The serpentis (they are actually angel ships ;) ) ship line has an exceptional potential to make smaller ship classes easy targets, matched by no other ship in eve.

Widen your field of view to more than just a single kind of ship vs another single kind of ship.

all of this because OP wanted 2 Blue Oyster tickets

Well, i probably should have been more clear about the kind of pirate faction, i was talking about sepentis, mainly.
And i was seeing the pvp aspect.

I just don't get it how they have the same damageoutput now. Rattle has so much more range and tank (which increases rediculously if fitting deadspace mods) on the other hand the vindi even loses dps duo to the fact that it has to downgrade weapons if its gonna be active tanked...

It just doesn't fit anymore. Ships which were supposed to be doing decent damage over huge ranges get to have the same or (active tank comp. more) damage than very low range ships which were created to have less tank, less range and simply higher damage.

Interesting question and some seem to blow it off so let's ask a different one.

A group of pirate ships in a fleet... You're an FC - which hulls do you prioritize first?

That rattler would be pretty far down the list with respect to pirate hulls for most FC's. Not that it isn't effective but it's a pretty cheap killmail compared to most other hulls. That vindi though... it's still seen as a solid threat and the price-tag on it can offset lossmails nicely.

So what priority would you put on which hull?