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Bounty System Rework SUGGESTION

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#21 - 2014-08-24 05:07:50 UTC
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
So, the bigger the bounty, the less ISK you receive. Great Idea! Roll

Also, learn to use parenthesis in your formula.


The current bounty system is not trivially abuseable and fulfills the requirements of a bounty system, so it's just fine.



Actually no. The bigger the ship is in comparison to the bounty, the larger PERCENT of the bounty you receive. Basically this keeps you from cashing in on a 150 million bounty by killing a rifter.

Say the bounty is 100m. You kill a 2 million dollar ship. Then you only get 40% of the bounty (assuming you kill the pod too). 4million dollar ship i s 80% (with pod) and 5 mil is 100%. however it will never go over the cap (whatever the bounty is)

2/100*20*100=40%BC

Ps. Formula works fine without them.


So, you're saying that to get a 100m ISK bounty, all I have to do is kill myself in a 4m ISK ship to make a 96m ISK profit? Great idea!

That brings us back to the problem that the current bounty system fixed quite handily.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#22 - 2014-08-24 05:09:06 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

That brings us back to the problem that the current bounty system fixed quite handily.


Ah, yes, that was my second point before I was distracted by the OP's baffling "because I want it!".

OP, L2Maths.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-08-24 05:09:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:

Actually it is.


You're not important enough for the game to change anything for your sake. Not by a mile. Your hubris is almost as baffling as your stupidity.



Fortunately you have literally 0 say in whether this gets changed ;) . HAH
Go change your wardrobe now. That's all you have power to exert your will over apparently.

RubyPorto wrote:
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
So, the bigger the bounty, the less ISK you receive. Great Idea! Roll

Also, learn to use parenthesis in your formula.


The current bounty system is not trivially abuseable and fulfills the requirements of a bounty system, so it's just fine.



Actually no. The bigger the ship is in comparison to the bounty, the larger PERCENT of the bounty you receive. Basically this keeps you from cashing in on a 150 million bounty by killing a rifter.

Say the bounty is 100m. You kill a 2 million dollar ship. Then you only get 40% of the bounty (assuming you kill the pod too). 4million dollar ship i s 80% (with pod) and 5 mil is 100%. however it will never go over the cap (whatever the bounty is)

2/100*20*100=40%BC

Ps. Formula works fine without them.


So, you're saying that to get a 100m ISK bounty, all I have to do is kill myself in a 4m ISK ship to make a 96m ISK profit? Great idea!

That brings us back to the problem that the current bounty system fixed quite handily.


Did you read it? You can only receive the Bounty payout by receiving the bounty as a mission. Think mission npcs will give you yourself as a mission?

Just post TL;DR next time if you can't read. We won't judge.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#24 - 2014-08-24 05:13:53 UTC
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:

Fortunately you have literally 0 say in whether this gets changed ;) . HAH


Congrats, neither do you.

And fortunately for everyone who actually gives a red hot damn about the sandbox and player freedom, CCP doesn't listen to ideas as dumb as this.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-08-24 05:14:49 UTC
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:


Did you read it? You can only receive the Bounty payout by receiving the bounty as a mission. Think mission npcs will give you yourself as a mission?

Just post TL;DR next time if you can't read. We won't judge.


Would you believe me if I told you that alts were not unheard of in EVE?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-08-24 05:17:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons
Sibyyl wrote:
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:


Did you read it? You can only receive the Bounty payout by receiving the bounty as a mission. Think mission npcs will give you yourself as a mission?

Just post TL;DR next time if you can't read. We won't judge.


Would you believe me if I told you that alts were not unheard of in EVE?


In the current system, any alt can ALREADY collect the bounty. this will make that happen less often and be more difficult to achieve (you would have to randomly receive the bounty of your main out of the huge pool of other bounties).

So while it may not outright fix something that's ALREADY an issue, it will help to fix it.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#27 - 2014-08-24 05:17:37 UTC
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:
Did you read it? You can only receive the Bounty payout by receiving the bounty as a mission. Think mission npcs will give you yourself as a mission?

Just post TL;DR next time if you can't read. We won't judge.


Use my mission alt to roll through missions until I get myself, sure.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2014-08-24 05:19:25 UTC
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:

So while it may not outright fix something that's ALREADY an issue, it will help to fix it.


It's not already an issue... your suggestion would make it an issue.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#29 - 2014-08-24 05:20:15 UTC
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:


Did you read it? You can only receive the Bounty payout by receiving the bounty as a mission. Think mission npcs will give you yourself as a mission?

Just post TL;DR next time if you can't read. We won't judge.


Would you believe me if I told you that alts were not unheard of in EVE?


In the current system, any alt can ALREADY collect the bounty. this will make that happen less often and be more difficult (you would have to randomly receive the bounty of your main out of the huge pool of other bounties)

So while it may not outright fix something that's ALREADY an issue, it will help to fix it.


The current system requires you to lose 5 times the value of your bounty in ships to clear it. You're proposing a system that lets you clear it and make a 2,400% profit.

And you want to bet every bounty hunter won't shoot off a mail to split this largesse with the target?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-08-24 05:24:56 UTC
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:


Did you read it? You can only receive the Bounty payout by receiving the bounty as a mission. Think mission npcs will give you yourself as a mission?

Just post TL;DR next time if you can't read. We won't judge.


Would you believe me if I told you that alts were not unheard of in EVE?


In the current system, any alt can ALREADY collect the bounty. this will make that happen less often and be more difficult to achieve (you would have to randomly receive the bounty of your main out of the huge pool of other bounties).

So while it may not outright fix something that's ALREADY an issue, it will help to fix it.


I think the current bounty system works. Here are 3 reasons why:


  1. Collecting a bounty is really not worth farming. The payouts are dismal and it's more trouble than it's worth.


  2. With the bounty system in EVE, "we get to make like we're notorious". You get your face painted on billboards, and it's an indirect ad for an accomplished scammer (if you fall for that sort of thing).


  3. We can put a bounty on someone's head, but an EVE player has to metagame in order to do it. You have to negotiate with the Boba Fetts of EVE to get your desired result. This is a good thing, because the bounty hunting business should come with exactly this sort of hazard. As a client, you should be expected to walk into a seedy space bar and convince scum to do your bidding.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-08-24 05:26:23 UTC
Or make it 1-1 ratio. take away the 5% ship to bounty ratio.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#32 - 2014-08-24 05:29:16 UTC
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:
Or make it 1-1 ratio. take away the 5% ship to bounty ratio.


Insurance.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-08-24 05:30:52 UTC
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:
Or make it 1-1 ratio. take away the 5% ship to bounty ratio.


This would be a new revolution in farming.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-08-24 05:33:27 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:
Or make it 1-1 ratio. take away the 5% ship to bounty ratio.


This would be a new revolution in farming.


it has some interesting aspects currently, yes, however its pretty lackluster right now. For instance, if you go to the eve ads, there's an ad for bounty hunter. Looks super cool. Seems legit. Then you get in the game and realize that's not really how it is. Haha.

Also, insurance isn't an issue. There would be a clause in insurance that they will not pay for "repossessed" ships. That will mean bounties.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#35 - 2014-08-24 05:35:06 UTC
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:

Also, insurance isn't an issue. There would be a clause in insurance that they will not pay for "repossessed" ships. That will mean bounties.


Ah, so I can use an alt to absorb the negative sec status, put bounties on freighters, and deny them any chance of insurance when they get ganked.

Awesome.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-08-24 05:38:08 UTC
Are you saying insurance shouldn't pay you a dime if you have a 100k ISK bounty (the minimum amount) on you?


Doesn't that seem a like an all-too convenient way for someone to block insurance on someone?



I do agree with you OP on one point. CCP's promotion of the feature doesn't reflect the reality of it at all.

Then again, you have seen the cutscene to the game?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-08-24 05:41:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:

Also, insurance isn't an issue. There would be a clause in insurance that they will not pay for "repossessed" ships. That will mean bounties.


Ah, so I can use an alt to absorb the negative sec status, put bounties on freighters, and deny them any chance of insurance when they get ganked.

Awesome.


The bounty would be the same as a wardecc. You have a time span where it tells you that it goes into effect. (24 hours).

Btw You can suicide gank in high sec so any of this bitching over dying is pretty pointless. haha a couple 7mil destroyers or something is < a bounty that will get a high sp target killed.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#38 - 2014-08-24 05:42:44 UTC
If you have to keep adding "but" and "if" into your idea to keep it from falling apart at the seams, that's a good sign that it's a bad, poorly thought out idea.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#39 - 2014-08-24 05:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons wrote:

Also, insurance isn't an issue. There would be a clause in insurance that they will not pay for "repossessed" ships. That will mean bounties.


Ah, so I can use an alt to absorb the negative sec status, put bounties on freighters, and deny them any chance of insurance when they get ganked.

Awesome.


The bounty would be the same as a wardecc. You have a time span where it tells you that it goes into effect. (24 hours).

Btw You can suicide gank in high sec so any of this bitching over dying is pretty pointless. haha a couple 7mil destroyers or something is < a bounty that will get a high sp target killed.


Correct, you can gank them, but you can't arbitrarily remove the insurance payout for a gankee for 100k, which is what your new "fix" to your proposed "fix" to a system that isn't broken.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Zigzigzigzigzigzigzigzig TireIrons
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-08-24 05:46:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you have to keep adding "but" and "if" into your idea to keep it from falling apart at the seams, that's a good sign that it's a bad, poorly thought out idea.



No, that's a sign that the thread allows 6000 characters per post. Already had to delete flavor text to add clarifying lines in the main post.

Answering questions about a proposed idea is what the rest of the thread is for right? The main post is for proposing idea, the following posts are (presumably) to try to make an even more solid suggestion.