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Caitlyn DeSalle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-08-22 15:46:52 UTC
Please...for the love of everything good and decent , make your software available for download on Usenet / newsgroups!

These download speeds of <200kb are ridiculous in this day and age. I just spent well over an hour to d/l a measly 5.6 Gb, which normally takes me around 5 minutes through Usenet. Come on guys...21st century and all that ?
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#2 - 2014-08-22 15:52:19 UTC
Caitlyn DeSalle wrote:
Please...for the love of everything good and decent , make your software available for download on Usenet / newsgroups!

These download speeds of <200kb are ridiculous in this day and age. I just spent well over an hour to d/l a measly 5.6 Gb, which normally takes me around 5 minutes through Usenet. Come on guys...21st century and all that ?


Never had issues with throttling from CCP. I'd suspect your ISP if you live in the U.S.

21st century and all that... Roll

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Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#3 - 2014-08-22 15:55:47 UTC
No issues either.

Unless you try to fake download during a server down/ddos attack like yesterday .. my client wanted to re-download a patch for no reason and pretended it would take hours °°.
Friedolin Maulerant
Scrapmetal Unleashed
#4 - 2014-08-22 16:18:42 UTC
Caitlyn DeSalle wrote:
Please...for the love of everything good and decent , make your software available for download on Usenet / newsgroups!

These download speeds of <200kb are ridiculous in this day and age. I just spent well over an hour to d/l a measly 5.6 Gb, which normally takes me around 5 minutes through Usenet. Come on guys...21st century and all that ?


21st century, Usenet ???What?
Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-08-22 16:53:47 UTC
Friedolin Maulerant wrote:
Caitlyn DeSalle wrote:
Please...for the love of everything good and decent , make your software available for download on Usenet / newsgroups!

These download speeds of <200kb are ridiculous in this day and age. I just spent well over an hour to d/l a measly 5.6 Gb, which normally takes me around 5 minutes through Usenet. Come on guys...21st century and all that ?


21st century, Usenet ???What?

she spelled it wrong, she meant Fidonet.
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#6 - 2014-08-22 16:57:34 UTC
Caitlyn DeSalle wrote:
Please...for the love of everything good and decent , make your software available for download on Usenet / newsgroups!

These download speeds of <200kb are ridiculous in this day and age. I just spent well over an hour to d/l a measly 5.6 Gb, which normally takes me around 5 minutes through Usenet. Come on guys...21st century and all that ?

That's your ISP, or a limitation of your infrastructure. I can pull over 3mbs on average whenever there's a patch. So yeah, CCP isn't the problem.

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Caitlyn DeSalle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-08-22 17:45:40 UTC
So help me understand how it is my infrastructure whilst running on a 180 mb broadband connection that just downloaded a full blueray from Usenet in ~15 minutes? Takes me more time to piece the thing back together then to download it :)

During the re install of Eve I noticed wild fluctuations in download speed but not once did it get close to a level I would call acceptable for a company offering a 6 gig d/l.

Kaerakh; yes I agree, patches seem to go considerable faster. Possibly done through a different delivery server? Now try downloading the entire client.
Linkxsc162534
Silent Scourge
#8 - 2014-08-22 18:28:26 UTC
Dunno whats up with you, I regularly get 1mb dl speed when patching eve (unless I'm using my network for anything else at the time, war thunders patcher likes to eat up 100% of my network) the 1mb part is just because I don't bother paying any more for my network because my local service sucks. (actually if I really need good DL speed, I cantenna to my friends house, bounce from there to another friends house who has fiber and dl at ~10-15mb/s assuming the weather is good and hes not actively using a ton of his network load. (Although eve still doesn't DL at 10-15, I think the max I've ever gotten out of eve was 3mb)

And even then, quit whining. Back in my day we played everquest/runescape on 56k modems and we liked it.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#9 - 2014-08-22 18:44:20 UTC
Caitlyn DeSalle wrote:
So help me understand how it is my infrastructure whilst running on a 180 mb broadband connection that just downloaded a full blueray from Usenet in ~15 minutes? Takes me more time to piece the thing back together then to download it :)

During the re install of Eve I noticed wild fluctuations in download speed but not once did it get close to a level I would call acceptable for a company offering a 6 gig d/l.

Kaerakh; yes I agree, patches seem to go considerable faster. Possibly done through a different delivery server? Now try downloading the entire client.


Are you using Time Warner Cable, Comcast, or CenturyLink?

Then it's your infrastructure.

You paid for it, it's yours, own up to it.

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Caitlyn DeSalle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-08-22 19:14:08 UTC
Linkxsc162534 wrote:
Dunno whats up with you, I regularly get 1mb dl speed when patching eve (unless I'm using my network for anything else at the time, war thunders patcher likes to eat up 100% of my network) the 1mb part is just because I don't bother paying any more for my network because my local service sucks. (actually if I really need good DL speed, I cantenna to my friends house, bounce from there to another friends house who has fiber and dl at ~10-15mb/s assuming the weather is good and hes not actively using a ton of his network load. (Although eve still doesn't DL at 10-15, I think the max I've ever gotten out of eve was 3mb)

And even then, quit whining. Back in my day we played everquest/runescape on 56k modems and we liked it.



Thank you for your posturing , if it helps; I played on 24K modems, that is then, this is now. How 1 Mb games compare to a 6 gig eludes me somewhat. I stand with what I said, the delivery of the whole client needs to be done through a faster platform.
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#11 - 2014-08-22 23:07:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaerakh
Caitlyn DeSalle wrote:
Linkxsc162534 wrote:
Dunno whats up with you, I regularly get 1mb dl speed when patching eve (unless I'm using my network for anything else at the time, war thunders patcher likes to eat up 100% of my network) the 1mb part is just because I don't bother paying any more for my network because my local service sucks. (actually if I really need good DL speed, I cantenna to my friends house, bounce from there to another friends house who has fiber and dl at ~10-15mb/s assuming the weather is good and hes not actively using a ton of his network load. (Although eve still doesn't DL at 10-15, I think the max I've ever gotten out of eve was 3mb)

And even then, quit whining. Back in my day we played everquest/runescape on 56k modems and we liked it.



Thank you for your posturing , if it helps; I played on 24K modems, that is then, this is now. How 1 Mb games compare to a 6 gig eludes me somewhat. I stand with what I said, the delivery of the whole client needs to be done through a faster platform.


So a little education.
Your posts imply you think the internet works like this:
http://www.danpontefract.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/internet.jpg
When in reality the internet works like this:
http://mountpeaks.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/1069646562-lgl-2d-4096x40962.png

So, to break it down to the base elements, anything can go wrong at any point in between you and the destination and certain ISPs tend to have these issues more often. Also, connections are not static. They may be good one day, but the node you used that day may be down or undergoing maintenance the next day. The reverse is also true.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-08-23 06:14:12 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Caitlyn DeSalle wrote:
So help me understand how it is my infrastructure whilst running on a 180 mb broadband connection that just downloaded a full blueray from Usenet in ~15 minutes? Takes me more time to piece the thing back together then to download it :)

During the re install of Eve I noticed wild fluctuations in download speed but not once did it get close to a level I would call acceptable for a company offering a 6 gig d/l.

Kaerakh; yes I agree, patches seem to go considerable faster. Possibly done through a different delivery server? Now try downloading the entire client.


Are you using Time Warner Cable, Comcast, or CenturyLink?

Then it's your infrastructure.

You paid for it, it's yours, own up to it.

Time Warner is holding my internet hostage because they know in my city the only other option is satellite, which is impossible with how often we have week-long severe thunderstorms and other weather blockage :/
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-08-23 15:17:26 UTC
Linkxsc162534 wrote:


And even then, quit whining. Back in my day we played everquest/runescape on 56k modems and we liked it.

Hell i remember when having a 28k modem was considered good, and if you had a 56k you were overdoing it.

As for the OP - I have no idea what the issue with you is. I regularly get 1 MB connections downloading from CCP - of course, my question is - why are you downloading the client enough that you care how long it takes?

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Linkxsc162534
Silent Scourge
#14 - 2014-08-23 15:32:39 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
Caitlyn DeSalle wrote:

Thank you for your posturing , if it helps; I played on 24K modems, that is then, this is now. How 1 Mb games compare to a 6 gig eludes me somewhat. I stand with what I said, the delivery of the whole client needs to be done through a faster platform.


So a little education.
Your posts imply you think the internet works like this:
http://www.danpontefract.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/internet.jpg
When in reality the internet works like this:
http://mountpeaks.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/1069646562-lgl-2d-4096x40962.png

So, to break it down to the base elements, anything can go wrong at any point in between you and the destination and certain ISPs tend to have these issues more often. Also, connections are not static. They may be good one day, but the node you used that day may be down or undergoing maintenance the next day. The reverse is also true.


What this guy said. Even now when doing stuff online if I'm accessing certain servers I can get speed that would make you cringe, simply because theres something messed up in the connections.

Actually the whole reason why I can canntenna to my friends house and bounce from place to place with that is because on a fairly regular basis my local ISP (the only 1 that we can buy in this town) will break something and lose all connections for ~2 hours, so i signal out to the other ISP next town over who may still be having service at the time.

It's not posturing, I'm just saying, I highly doubt its CCP's fault most of the time, and really 1mb is supersonic speeds compared to what was regular a short decade ago. And... most games back then were still in the GB range,we just installed them with CDs usually back then. I'm just upset about your posturing that the companies a POS because you aren't getting the connection you want all the time.


And besides. what would running dls and patches through usenet do about speeding the process up. Its still the same internet that it's gotta travel through.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#15 - 2014-08-23 21:26:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bohneik Itohn
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Caitlyn DeSalle wrote:
So help me understand how it is my infrastructure whilst running on a 180 mb broadband connection that just downloaded a full blueray from Usenet in ~15 minutes? Takes me more time to piece the thing back together then to download it :)

During the re install of Eve I noticed wild fluctuations in download speed but not once did it get close to a level I would call acceptable for a company offering a 6 gig d/l.

Kaerakh; yes I agree, patches seem to go considerable faster. Possibly done through a different delivery server? Now try downloading the entire client.


Are you using Time Warner Cable, Comcast, or CenturyLink?

Then it's your infrastructure.

You paid for it, it's yours, own up to it.

Time Warner is holding my internet hostage because they know in my city the only other option is satellite, which is impossible with how often we have week-long severe thunderstorms and other weather blockage :/


Centurylink is doing the same thing to my area. They start throttling all streaming services between 2 P.M. and 6 P.M. respectively based upon their popularity, including Youtube, because they don't want to upgrade the infrastructure in the area. I did, however, discover that the customer service side of things hasn't been restructured to deal with the complaints, so after spending a couple phone calls and a few hours getting the issue escalated I got my bill cut in half for a year, and I will do the same next year.

I still pay twice as much as anywhere else in the U.S., and 4 times as much as any other tech saturated country though... Sad

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-08-23 23:16:01 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Caitlyn DeSalle wrote:
So help me understand how it is my infrastructure whilst running on a 180 mb broadband connection that just downloaded a full blueray from Usenet in ~15 minutes? Takes me more time to piece the thing back together then to download it :)

During the re install of Eve I noticed wild fluctuations in download speed but not once did it get close to a level I would call acceptable for a company offering a 6 gig d/l.

Kaerakh; yes I agree, patches seem to go considerable faster. Possibly done through a different delivery server? Now try downloading the entire client.


Are you using Time Warner Cable, Comcast, or CenturyLink?

Then it's your infrastructure.

You paid for it, it's yours, own up to it.

Time Warner is holding my internet hostage because they know in my city the only other option is satellite, which is impossible with how often we have week-long severe thunderstorms and other weather blockage :/


Centurylink is doing the same thing to my area. They start throttling all streaming services between 2 P.M. and 6 P.M. respectively based upon their popularity, including Youtube, because they don't want to upgrade the infrastructure in the area. I did, however, discover that the customer service side of things hasn't been restructured to deal with the complaints, so after spending a couple phone calls and a few hours getting the issue escalated I got my bill cut in half for a year, and I will do the same next year.

I still pay twice as much as anywhere else in the U.S., and 4 times as much as any other tech saturated country though... Sad

the good news is my city just dumped a whole lot of money to have fiber optics installed where possible, and other high speed connections where it isnt, by mid 2015, so yay for that. though that doesnt necessarily mean TWC wont just throttle it more so its just as bad before the upgrade :/
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#17 - 2014-08-24 09:05:13 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Are you using Time Warner Cable, Comcast, or CenturyLink?

Then it's your infrastructure.

You paid for it, it's yours, own up to it.


Don't forget Cox, whose name is a homophone for what they are.

Nariya Kentaya wrote:
the good news is my city just dumped a whole lot of money to have fiber optics installed where possible, and other high speed connections where it isnt, by mid 2015, so yay for that. though that doesnt necessarily mean TWC wont just throttle it more so its just as bad before the upgrade :/


Just FYI, in many that installed municipal fiber, the cable companies bribed reached settlements with the cities to prevent them from providing access to that fiber to the public.

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-08-24 09:56:39 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:

I still pay twice as much as anywhere else in the U.S., and 4 times as much as any other tech saturated country though... Sad


Paying for internet is so 2009, real men get at least a 10mbps connection with their rent and 100mbps for about a tenner on top of that if you wish so.

Sorry for making you feel bad.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-08-27 12:45:23 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Are you using Time Warner Cable, Comcast, or CenturyLink?

Then it's your infrastructure.

You paid for it, it's yours, own up to it.


Don't forget Cox, whose name is a homophone for what they are.

Nariya Kentaya wrote:
the good news is my city just dumped a whole lot of money to have fiber optics installed where possible, and other high speed connections where it isnt, by mid 2015, so yay for that. though that doesnt necessarily mean TWC wont just throttle it more so its just as bad before the upgrade :/


Just FYI, in many that installed municipal fiber, the cable companies bribed reached settlements with the cities to prevent them from providing access to that fiber to the public.

The good news is, these were brought in SPECIFICALLY for public use. Cities on this big "REDO EVERYTHING" kick trying to make it more "appealing to move to".
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-08-27 14:41:39 UTC
As someone who knows a great deal about how the internet works:

The internet is inherently unreliable, however the stuff that runs on top of it does provide a rather convincing illusion of reliability. That is all.
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