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Venture Kills Competition - Brought to you by Code.

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Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#341 - 2014-08-17 04:14:24 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Michael Ruckert wrote:
Let me know when CODE has the steel balls for a Procurer/Skiff Kills Competition.

Oh wait. That would require skill and cognitive functions.


That would make a contest that really would not be open to brand new players or players who have not made many social contacts yet. The wonderful part about this contest and what has made it such an amazing success (as last count, I think we are somewhere near two thousand ventures killed) is that even a brand new player can take place in it.

We're creating content that is fun and open to everyone, not trying to prove what material our reproductive organs are made of. It's a bit creepy you went there.

As for your line about "skill and cognitive functions" - let's keep this thread fun and on topic and keep the personal attacks to yourself. You're not adding anything to this conversation.

You should consider taking part in this or in next months contest! Much fun to be had, and a ton of emergent gameplay just waiting to be created!

Yes, even brand new players can take place in it. By getting griefed and showing up as losses on killmails.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#342 - 2014-08-17 09:44:41 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Michael Ruckert wrote:
Let me know when CODE has the steel balls for a Procurer/Skiff Kills Competition.

Oh wait. That would require skill and cognitive functions.


That would make a contest that really would not be open to brand new players or players who have not made many social contacts yet. The wonderful part about this contest and what has made it such an amazing success (as last count, I think we are somewhere near two thousand ventures killed) is that even a brand new player can take place in it.

We're creating content that is fun and open to everyone, not trying to prove what material our reproductive organs are made of. It's a bit creepy you went there.

As for your line about "skill and cognitive functions" - let's keep this thread fun and on topic and keep the personal attacks to yourself. You're not adding anything to this conversation.

You should consider taking part in this or in next months contest! Much fun to be had, and a ton of emergent gameplay just waiting to be created!

Yes, even brand new players can take place in it. By getting griefed and showing up as losses on killmails.


As long as some jackass isn't targeting a specific newbie again and again, that's not griefing. Or is your definition of griefing now "getting shot at"?

Also, as it was mentioned several times already: Nothing prevents newbies from taking out their ships to go on a Venture-hunt, too. That's the reason Venture are the target: They're the weakest mining ship and the only one a brand new player could easily gank themselves.

There is some really weird cognitive dissonance going on in this thread were newbies could only possibly the victim, not the ganker. This is weird, how can someone think newbies would want to mine that badly? And of course I'm not even mentioning cases like experienced players using Ventures for gas mining in W-Space. By the logic of some in this thread, flying a T1-frigate automatically makes you a newbie.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#343 - 2014-08-17 09:57:46 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:

As long as some jackass isn't targeting a specific newbie again and again, that's not griefing. Or is your definition of griefing now "getting shot at"?

Also, as it was mentioned several times already: Nothing prevents newbies from taking out their ships to go on a Venture-hunt, too. That's the reason Venture are the target: They're the weakest mining ship and the only one a brand new player could easily gank themselves.

There is some really weird cognitive dissonance going on in this thread were newbies could only possibly the victim, not the ganker. This is weird, how can someone think newbies would want to mine that badly? And of course I'm not even mentioning cases like experienced players using Ventures for gas mining in W-Space. By the logic of some in this thread, flying a T1-frigate automatically makes you a newbie.

Ok, let me try to break down this 'cognitive dissonance'. This event is targeting the one ship that, when flown in high-sec, is probably the one ship most likely to be flown by a new pilot. This is especially the case since the latest expansion, Crius as you may recall, was entirely based around improving and updating the Industry side of the Eve gameplay experience. The result is that a few experienced pilots are killing dozens of new pilots in ventures for this event. That is what I would classify as rookie griefing, although apparently CCP has decided to handle this with the ever-widening "emergent gameplay" umbrella excuse, judging by the recent lack of response to it.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#344 - 2014-08-17 10:15:58 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:

As long as some jackass isn't targeting a specific newbie again and again, that's not griefing. Or is your definition of griefing now "getting shot at"?

Also, as it was mentioned several times already: Nothing prevents newbies from taking out their ships to go on a Venture-hunt, too. That's the reason Venture are the target: They're the weakest mining ship and the only one a brand new player could easily gank themselves.

There is some really weird cognitive dissonance going on in this thread were newbies could only possibly the victim, not the ganker. This is weird, how can someone think newbies would want to mine that badly? And of course I'm not even mentioning cases like experienced players using Ventures for gas mining in W-Space. By the logic of some in this thread, flying a T1-frigate automatically makes you a newbie.

Ok, let me try to break down this 'cognitive dissonance'. This event is targeting the one ship that, when flown in high-sec, is probably the one ship most likely to be flown by a new pilot. This is especially the case since the latest expansion, Crius as you may recall, was entirely based around improving and updating the Industry side of the Eve gameplay experience. The result is that a few experienced pilots are killing dozens of new pilots in ventures for this event. That is what I would classify as rookie griefing, although apparently CCP has decided to handle this with the ever-widening "emergent gameplay" umbrella excuse, judging by the recent lack of response to it.


Apparently you do not know what cognitive dissonance means, since you just fell victim to it and ignored my entire argument. Don't you think it would be pointless of me to answer you if you ignore what I'm saying?
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#345 - 2014-08-17 10:36:08 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:

Apparently you do not know what cognitive dissonance means, since you just fell victim to it and ignored my entire argument. Don't you think it would be pointless of me to answer you if you ignore what I'm saying?

At this point, I am starting to think it would be pointless of you to answer, so if that didn't constitute an answer, don't bother with another.
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#346 - 2014-08-17 18:32:58 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:

Apparently you do not know what cognitive dissonance means, since you just fell victim to it and ignored my entire argument. Don't you think it would be pointless of me to answer you if you ignore what I'm saying?

At this point, I am starting to think it would be pointless of you to answer, so if that didn't constitute an answer, don't bother with another.



First to clearify something you stated earlier, there are many young characters flying frigates killing ventures.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate

Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#347 - 2014-08-17 18:34:38 UTC
Lucrezzia wrote:
Do I need to register somewhere for this contest or is it automatic?


Just make sure you have API verified kills on zkill since that is where we are counting from. If you are wanting to participate for the youngest kill, send an evemail to me with the kill, age of aggressor, and screenshot if possible.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate

John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#348 - 2014-08-18 03:08:12 UTC
gimme isk!

Between Ignorance and Wisdom

Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#349 - 2014-08-18 03:12:08 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
gimme isk!


Done!
You post wallet info for proof.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate

Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#350 - 2014-08-18 17:48:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorinia Sanford
TharOkha wrote:
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I'm not judging...but shooting a rookie in mining frigate isn't combat. And it's not a fight no matter how hard you close your eyes and wish it to be.


True enough, but in a war, what should be a priority target? Deep strikes on the enemy's logistics area. Cut off their supply, they don't have ships, ammo and fittings to fight. Pretty much what we did in WWII to Germany. Bombed the crap out of their production capability and strangled their ability to fight.

Amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics.


Didnt know that CODE is in war with newbies and that their biggest threat are rookies in mining frigs, "Mr. professional" Pirate


Was playing devil's advocate there chief. For the most part I agree with you. However, if you are at war with a corporation, you want to make it a priorority to find their production center and hit it hard and repeatedly.

With this contest, it's basically a bunch of pussies who can't hack it in the lower security sections of the game preferring to prey on easy kills, namely ventures. When given a chance to fight ships that could shoot back in the alliance tournament, they wimped out and didn't show up, thus forfeiting.

Now if a team fielded a fleet of Ventures and Retrievers, they'd be all over that. ;)
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#351 - 2014-08-18 20:40:29 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I'm not judging...but shooting a rookie in mining frigate isn't combat. And it's not a fight no matter how hard you close your eyes and wish it to be.


True enough, but in a war, what should be a priority target? Deep strikes on the enemy's logistics area. Cut off their supply, they don't have ships, ammo and fittings to fight. Pretty much what we did in WWII to Germany. Bombed the crap out of their production capability and strangled their ability to fight.

Amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics.


Didnt know that CODE is in war with newbies and that their biggest threat are rookies in mining frigs, "Mr. professional" Pirate


Was playing devil's advocate there chief. For the most part I agree with you. However, if you are at war with a corporation, you want to make it a priorority to find their production center and hit it hard and repeatedly.

With this contest, it's basically a bunch of pussies who can't hack it in the lower security sections of the game preferring to prey on easy kills, namely ventures. When given a chance to fight ships that could shoot back in the alliance tournament, they wimped out and didn't show up, thus forfeiting.

Now if a team fielded a fleet of Ventures and Retrievers, they'd be all over that. ;)


Have you considered that the prizes and ease of entry for this contest make it rather appealing to veterans and rookie players alike? Or are you just going to state something about HS being safe and PVP is ruining EVE?

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate

Razzash
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#352 - 2014-08-19 21:57:06 UTC
Being one of these new players, I feel rather compelled to weigh in on this whole thing as it was this very contest that actually drew me to sub in the first place. I have tried EvE on numerous occasions, but nothing ever truly held my interest for longer than the trial. Soon, what I'd found was I loved the ~idea~ of EvE. But the implementation was a rather different story.

In my brief experience, gameplay boils down to one of two things. Totally safe and unimaginably boring with no clear cut goal-driven direction; or a light-show sponsored by your unintentionally donated ship depending which section of space you decided to point your asymmetrical soon-to-be scrap medal in. That being said, hear me out.

While sitting at work, I was browsing the forums since more often than not, they're more entertaining for the outsider looking in, than the game itself. Low and behold, I brushed passed this topic and thought, 'wow, this actually sounds interesting enough to check out.' This was a chance to see some of this so-called compelling gameplay that didn't end 5-seconds later with anti-matter rounds rammed so far up your ass you can see the stamped serial number.

This was a chance to feel a little less safe because as I said at the start, there are 2 forms of EvE. Totally safe, or suicidal. With this, now there is a mild chance of a ruined day with a possibility of tale-telling survival. A good intermediary for someone who wants the excitement EvE promises that doesn't devolve into farming in space, or something resembling ramming your head squarely against a brick wall.

So, I plunk down some $, reactivate my 7 year old trial account, and beeline for that free venture through the tutorial missions. That’s right; I'm not here to shoot ships. I'm here to be one of these poor venture pilots that should be coddled and protected until I’m fat, juicy and ripe for picking 3 months later.

Got my venture, great! Slap on my trusty civilian rock blaster, and shove my ship out to the noobie kill-fest that is apparently EvE. Know what I found when I got there? Rocks, Bots, and no smoking barrels.

Now, I’m not exactly sure what I was hoping to find, but I certainly expected someone to try and blap my lowly unfitted, sub-500k piloted little stone gobbler, but I even spent a day phsssshing rocks in a couple low security regions without so much as a poorly worded phrase of intimidation! I mean, it was just quiet, and empty (like space!)Shocked

So, here I sit again excitmentless, and unsure what I should be doing. I considered going shark and trying to eat the little venture minnows myself, but I don’t know how to properly fit a vessel, nor what I need to be focusing on as far as skill-downloading. I’m not saying EvE should be the noobie-feast it’s made out to be, but I definitely would like that feeling of not 100% safe, or even 90%.

My point with all of this? We’re not being splat like little gnats though that would be more interesting, but getting a few rockets rammed down our throats is as likely to keep players like me as drive away someone.

(That said, where do I go for friends, mindless fun and explosions? Evemails welcome!)
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#353 - 2014-08-20 04:25:30 UTC
Razzash wrote:
Being one of these new players, I feel rather compelled to weigh in on this whole thing as it was this very contest that actually drew me to sub in the first place. I have tried EvE on numerous occasions, but nothing ever truly held my interest for longer than the trial. Soon, what I'd found was I loved the ~idea~ of EvE. But the implementation was a rather different story.

In my brief experience, gameplay boils down to one of two things. Totally safe and unimaginably boring with no clear cut goal-driven direction; or a light-show sponsored by your unintentionally donated ship depending which section of space you decided to point your asymmetrical soon-to-be scrap medal in. That being said, hear me out.

While sitting at work, I was browsing the forums since more often than not, they're more entertaining for the outsider looking in, than the game itself. Low and behold, I brushed passed this topic and thought, 'wow, this actually sounds interesting enough to check out.' This was a chance to see some of this so-called compelling gameplay that didn't end 5-seconds later with anti-matter rounds rammed so far up your ass you can see the stamped serial number.

This was a chance to feel a little less safe because as I said at the start, there are 2 forms of EvE. Totally safe, or suicidal. With this, now there is a mild chance of a ruined day with a possibility of tale-telling survival. A good intermediary for someone who wants the excitement EvE promises that doesn't devolve into farming in space, or something resembling ramming your head squarely against a brick wall.

So, I plunk down some $, reactivate my 7 year old trial account, and beeline for that free venture through the tutorial missions. That’s right; I'm not here to shoot ships. I'm here to be one of these poor venture pilots that should be coddled and protected until I’m fat, juicy and ripe for picking 3 months later.

Got my venture, great! Slap on my trusty civilian rock blaster, and shove my ship out to the noobie kill-fest that is apparently EvE. Know what I found when I got there? Rocks, Bots, and no smoking barrels.

Now, I’m not exactly sure what I was hoping to find, but I certainly expected someone to try and blap my lowly unfitted, sub-500k piloted little stone gobbler, but I even spent a day phsssshing rocks in a couple low security regions without so much as a poorly worded phrase of intimidation! I mean, it was just quiet, and empty (like space!)Shocked

So, here I sit again excitmentless, and unsure what I should be doing. I considered going shark and trying to eat the little venture minnows myself, but I don’t know how to properly fit a vessel, nor what I need to be focusing on as far as skill-downloading. I’m not saying EvE should be the noobie-feast it’s made out to be, but I definitely would like that feeling of not 100% safe, or even 90%.

My point with all of this? We’re not being splat like little gnats though that would be more interesting, but getting a few rockets rammed down our throats is as likely to keep players like me as drive away someone.

(That said, where do I go for friends, mindless fun and explosions? Evemails welcome!)


Contact me. I can help assist you with the other side of this competition.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#354 - 2014-08-20 04:39:58 UTC
Razzash wrote:
Being one of these new players, I feel rather compelled to weigh in on this whole thing as it was this very contest that actually drew me to sub in the first place. I have tried EvE on numerous occasions, but nothing ever truly held my interest for longer than the trial. Soon, what I'd found was I loved the ~idea~ of EvE. But the implementation was a rather different story.

In my brief experience, gameplay boils down to one of two things. Totally safe and unimaginably boring with no clear cut goal-driven direction; or a light-show sponsored by your unintentionally donated ship depending which section of space you decided to point your asymmetrical soon-to-be scrap medal in. That being said, hear me out.

While sitting at work, I was browsing the forums since more often than not, they're more entertaining for the outsider looking in, than the game itself. Low and behold, I brushed passed this topic and thought, 'wow, this actually sounds interesting enough to check out.' This was a chance to see some of this so-called compelling gameplay that didn't end 5-seconds later with anti-matter rounds rammed so far up your ass you can see the stamped serial number.

This was a chance to feel a little less safe because as I said at the start, there are 2 forms of EvE. Totally safe, or suicidal. With this, now there is a mild chance of a ruined day with a possibility of tale-telling survival. A good intermediary for someone who wants the excitement EvE promises that doesn't devolve into farming in space, or something resembling ramming your head squarely against a brick wall.

So, I plunk down some $, reactivate my 7 year old trial account, and beeline for that free venture through the tutorial missions. That’s right; I'm not here to shoot ships. I'm here to be one of these poor venture pilots that should be coddled and protected until I’m fat, juicy and ripe for picking 3 months later.

Got my venture, great! Slap on my trusty civilian rock blaster, and shove my ship out to the noobie kill-fest that is apparently EvE. Know what I found when I got there? Rocks, Bots, and no smoking barrels.

Now, I’m not exactly sure what I was hoping to find, but I certainly expected someone to try and blap my lowly unfitted, sub-500k piloted little stone gobbler, but I even spent a day phsssshing rocks in a couple low security regions without so much as a poorly worded phrase of intimidation! I mean, it was just quiet, and empty (like space!)Shocked

So, here I sit again excitmentless, and unsure what I should be doing. I considered going shark and trying to eat the little venture minnows myself, but I don’t know how to properly fit a vessel, nor what I need to be focusing on as far as skill-downloading. I’m not saying EvE should be the noobie-feast it’s made out to be, but I definitely would like that feeling of not 100% safe, or even 90%.

My point with all of this? We’re not being splat like little gnats though that would be more interesting, but getting a few rockets rammed down our throats is as likely to keep players like me as drive away someone.

(That said, where do I go for friends, mindless fun and explosions? Evemails welcome!)


There's a good deal of advice on the minerbumping website (www.minerbumping.com).

If I remember, I'll contract you three or four gank-fit Catalysts when I get home from work tonight.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#355 - 2014-08-20 22:03:40 UTC
There has been another donation of ISK to the prize pool.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate

Jebediah Beane
Trent Industries
BLACKFLAG.
#356 - 2014-08-21 01:03:51 UTC
Does it count if we kill a different ship while using a venture?
Avi Shekelstien
Doomheim
#357 - 2014-08-21 07:20:31 UTC
The leaders must be on 200 plus now! makes my 20 odd look a bit shabby.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#358 - 2014-08-21 11:40:08 UTC
Jebediah Beane wrote:
Does it count if we kill a different ship while using a venture?


I would guess this would count as zero Venture kills, so in a way, yes it counts. Pirate
Zora'e
#359 - 2014-08-23 16:35:47 UTC
You know... Back when I first started playing EVE I mined. It was isk I used to buy skill books, time I used to train and consider what I wanted to do in EVE. I ran (and still do occasionally) Missions and discovered that was even more lucrative than mining... so I dumped my mining ship for a mission boat. Then I joined a Low Sec corp and got into PvP... loved the adrenaline rush even when I got my backside handed to me. Eventually I moved on to a Null sec corp and had some fun there as well. After time I moved into a C-3 wormhole and discovered an entirely new level of EVE. But as with all things in EVE, life doesn't always allow us to dedicate the time to do or live in some areas/regions and so I moved back to High-Sec.

Now. In High Sec I still fly with the reflexes I learned in Null/WH life. D-scan is always up, ships are fit as well as I can for combat (I am in no way an elite PvP'r) and most of the time I assume there is someone out there waiting for the chance to turn my pretty gold plated Amarr ships into a Minmatar battlecruiser..err I mean twisted wreckage.

However.... had I been ganked in my first week or two of playing EVE, I would never have enjoyed the rest of EVE at all. I'd have walked away from the game and considered it a bad investment. Lets be truthful here and not try to BS ourselves. How I described my journey in EVE above is probably fairly typical of many longer term EVE players. They start out small. unsure, confused. They find something that makes them a decent amount of money and they do it. With luck and some effort on corp recruiters behalf they find a group of people to fly with who will help them learn the other aspects of EVE.

With bad luck, someone flies in and suicide ganks them and dollars to dimes, they never return to the game.

I have in the past (and still do) supported Hulkageddon with billions of Isk (Hell I flew with Helicity in The Python Cartel, so yeah). I don't support this event at all. It targets in general, people who are likely to be low sp. Many who are true new players. It is in general a bad idea in my opinion because of that. However.. If it is within the rules and CCP doesn't put the kibosh on it, then all I can say is I think it is a bad idea.

~Z

I won't say you are stupid, but you're not exactly on the Zombie menu either.

NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#360 - 2014-08-23 16:43:49 UTC
Can I donate 300 gank fit catalysts as the prize for the most ganked venture pilot?
I figure they might be looking at a profession change after this.