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Warp Disruptors Overpowered

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Charles Muffins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-08-23 01:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Charles Muffins
People are forgetting that disruptors are usually arranged in a sphere around the gate, so it doesn't matter what angle you warp in. And I can't imagine having to use either an interceptor or t3 every time I go into nullsec. Roll


The only people who won't support this are the people who gank tons of ships every day by using disruptors.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#22 - 2014-08-23 01:39:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Charles Muffins wrote:
People are forgetting that disruptors are usually arranged in a sphere around the gate, so it doesn't matter what angle you warp in.

Actually, it does. You can't put a mobile disruptor directly on the gate. So it will always be a little "off" at certain angles (which requires more bubbles being used)... which can be just enough to burn that last little bit out of the bubble.

On gates that people are commonly inbound to... they won't put a mobile disruptor right on the gate. That won't give anyone enough time to use webs and prevent you from reaching the gate with a MWD. People prefer to use "slingshot" bubbles which are 50-100km away from the gate... which can be avoided using the aforementioned perpendicular celestial.
Lucrii Dei
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-08-23 01:43:34 UTC
I can't actually tell if you're being serious or not - but here goes.

"They guarantee the destruction of any ship that crosses their path, and can't be avoided in any way." - Completely false. The majority of my ISK comes from exploration trips into Null. There are plenty of ways to avoid them. The only thing close to a guranteed lossmail is a sans-covert ship landing in bubbles that have hostiles active on grid or the same setup using drag bubbles and a couple of containers for dropping covert cloak. All of which can be avoided once you learn how they work and how to use the tools available to you.

"Anyone with a ship that can warp is trapped no matter what they have." - As above, bubbles are easily escapable if you navigate the field correctly. There are also ships that are immune to them.

"Give ships inside the bubble a speed boost, allowing them to leave quickly." - Cloak and MWD. You don't make clear what kind of ships you are flying or for what purpose, but as an example the Astero fit for speed and agility is a hard target to de-cloak before it burns the shortest path out of the bubble.

"Allow warp stabilizers the ability to counter Mobile Warp Disruptors." - A module that allows people to join what is meant to be a PVP based career in EVE and proceed to avoid any kind of PVP whatsoever, is a blight to PVP. As a newer character I used to swear by them for exploration, now I despise them and find that there are far more useful things to fit on a ship for Null and WH exploration. Learn how to use your other tools and you won't need WCS.

"Disallow placement of disruptor's near jump gates." Allow all and sundry a free ride through Nullsec? Look at it from the other side. Low-sec exploration gets boring. That feeling you get when you're trying to avoid being locked with half a billion of relic loot in your paper hull? That's most of the appeal of such an activity. The danger. You can't gimp the ability of people to protect their systems from intruders just because you have an inability to play your hand correctly.

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Charles Muffins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-08-23 02:00:55 UTC
I dare anyone to try to fly a t1 frig trough a bubbled gate like the one in P3EN-E.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-08-23 02:03:31 UTC
Charles Muffins wrote:
I dare anyone to try to fly a t1 frig trough a bubbled gate like the one in P3EN-E.

So, what do I get if I make it?
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2014-08-23 02:05:52 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Charles Muffins wrote:
I dare anyone to try to fly a t1 frig trough a bubbled gate like the one in P3EN-E.

So, what do I get if I make it?

Yes I am with this man in thought
Charles Muffins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-08-23 02:06:20 UTC
you get to have proof, because right now no one except me has any Lol
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-08-23 02:18:57 UTC
Charles Muffins wrote:
you get to have proof, because right now no one except me has any Lol

Proof of what? That I like to use the wrong tool for a job?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-08-23 02:31:15 UTC
A newbie dies twice to a mechanic. Instead of learning about it further to bolster his chances of successfully avoiding said mechanics, he bitches incessantly on the forums about it & demands a nerf because he is too lazy to adapt like everyone else.

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2014-08-23 02:45:46 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
A newbie dies twice to a mechanic. Instead of learning about it further to bolster his chances of successfully avoiding said mechanics, he bitches incessantly on the forums about it & demands a nerf because he is too lazy to adapt like everyone else.

Or the noobie uses the most powerful tool at his disposal first on the problem, then formulates alternatives
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#31 - 2014-08-23 02:48:12 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
A newbie dies twice to a mechanic. Instead of learning about it further to bolster his chances of successfully avoiding said mechanics, he bitches incessantly on the forums about it & demands a nerf because he is too lazy to adapt like everyone else.

Or the noobie uses the most powerful tool at his disposal first on the problem, then formulates alternatives


Occam's Lightsaber.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#32 - 2014-08-23 03:30:48 UTC
OP gives muffins a bad name.




Im going to anchor bubbles tonight.. just to show my displeasure.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-08-23 03:31:42 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
A newbie dies twice to a mechanic. Instead of learning about it further to bolster his chances of successfully avoiding said mechanics, he bitches incessantly on the forums about it & demands a nerf because he is too lazy to adapt like everyone else.

Or the noobie uses the most powerful tool at his disposal first on the problem, then formulates alternatives


Occam's Lightsaber.



I think what the OP needs the Sword of a Thousand Truths. Once you have this you will never die to another bubble.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#34 - 2014-08-23 04:26:49 UTC
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Only command ships get the overview.


Every once in awhile someone barfs chocolate back up instead of the usual trollbile. What an intriguing notion.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2014-08-23 04:42:51 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Only command ships get the overview.


Every once in awhile someone barfs chocolate back up instead of the usual trollbile. What an intriguing notion.

Doesn't make it any less stupid than any of the other suggestions in that post.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#36 - 2014-08-23 04:44:07 UTC
Baby trolls are so cute at this age.

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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#37 - 2014-08-23 05:08:32 UTC
Op. Now show us on the dolly where the bad spaceship touched you.

Ugh

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#38 - 2014-08-23 05:10:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Harrison Tato
Belt Scout wrote:
Op. Now show us on the dolly where the bad spaceship touched you.

Ugh


Wouldn't it be awesome if you could at least not copy a burn that is already in the thread?

-1
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#39 - 2014-08-23 05:13:08 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Belt Scout wrote:
Op. Now show us on the dolly where the bad spaceship touched you.

Ugh


Wouldn't it be awesome if you could at least not copy a burn that is already in the thread?

-1


Oops. Tl;Dr the whole thing. just figured it was the usual troll bash and moved on. Big smile

.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#40 - 2014-08-23 05:17:58 UTC
Charles Muffins wrote:
Mobile Warp disruptors are the most overpowered thing in EVE. They guarantee the destruction of any ship that crosses their path, and can't be avoided in any way. I realise that EVE IS a PVP game, and that these great little gadgets have purpose, but CCP needs to restrict how they're used and/or when they can be used. Okay, so what's the issue? Anyone with a ship that can warp is trapped no matter what they have, creating a method of "gate farming" for PVP?ers. It makes it nearly impossible for anyone without a fleet of cruisers at hand to survive. So, I came up with the following list of ways we can fix this while still realizing the use of these devices.


Doing one or move of these will help fix Warp Disruptors

1. Give ships inside the bubble a speed boost, allowing them to leave quickly.

2. Allow warp stabilizers the ability to counter Mobile Warp Disruptors. <--- favorite idea

3. Disallow placement of disruptors near jump gates.

4. Make disruptors use POS fuel.

5. Give HP bonuses to ships inside the bubble, allowing them to have a higher chance of survival.


Warp Disruptors will still have a purpose, (POS blockading, belt freezing, etc.) but won't be the insane PVP farming machines they are today.




If you hate warp bubbles you'll hate interdictor bubbles and scripted dictors even more.

Rather than get rid of them or nerf them to the ground, let ships dial in system to system warp and get rid of the sole reliance on gates.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!