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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#121 - 2014-08-23 04:08:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Black Pedro wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Sure it is.
Players that specifically go out of their way to disrupt the entire tournament receive a harsher penalty than those caught cheating for personal gain.

It doesn't get much more clear cut than that, as one is much, much more disruptive to the tournament than the other.

And... to put it bluntly... I don't really much care if the crap on my shoe gets upset when I scrape it off.


Really, watching matches where the outcome has been predetermined by the participants is entertaining?

And I still don't see how failing to show up for a match (something that has been common in previous years) disrupts the tournament to any serious extent - if a team doesn't show by the deadline just declare them as forfeiting and move on.

And your last sentence is to my point. If you don't like CODE. and don't want them to participate just be intellectually honest with yourself and admit that, rather than framing their actions as some sort of exceptional slight to the tournament that merits an unprecedented punishment. They have done nothing that hasn't been done dozens of times before and is objectively less serious than the transgressions of other major alliances in previous years.

No, watching a predetermined match is not entertaining. That is why tournament rules have become more strict and will result in a Ban now. However trying to profit from fixing a match is a bit less encompassing than trying to disrupt the entire tournament schedule.

In the past when a team could not field a full team or otherwise participate in their assigned match, they at least communicated it in advance of the match. Code failed to make this good will gesture and brag that it was intentional.

And lastly, my misguided friend, I heartily approve of Code and their particular play style as an integral part of the EVE environment. They play their part and play it well.
However when they stoop to disrupting an event specifically removed from the EVE universe proper as a form of pure competition for the enjoyment of the entire player base it shows complete contempt for the game, the development team, and the player base as a whole (including you and I).

It puts things on a whole different level, and is somewhat akin to kicking your chess opponent in the groin (obvious chess boxing jokes aside for the moment). Its at that moment leaving behind simply having an obnoxious play style that is perfectly valid, and crossing the line into actively trying (and ultimately failing) to be destructive to the game and player base itself.

I am quite comfortable standing by my earlier analogy. Smile

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#122 - 2014-08-23 04:34:35 UTC
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Valkin Mordirc
#123 - 2014-08-23 06:38:41 UTC
I used to think CODE. was something useful, however it's become ever more apparent and clear as time passes by, that they are nothing but a closed gated community laughing at the same jokes that have been passed around the same table for sometime now. The outside world which are shunned, consider them more and more of a joke to laughed at, and maybe a read about in the morning because you have nothing better to do. Rather than something useful and content creative, sure you can gank a empty freighter but what they've done to themselves, they've become a redundant source to the game. The fact that they simply joined AT just to quit as a joke, makes them a laughstock of EVE.


Not so much as a comedian, but the town fool. CODE have made themselves the joke of the community, and they don't even understand that they are the butt of the joke. And have become a faceless ghost of what they were before, I hope CODE can reform to what they once stood for, but right as it stands they are just as bad as the NPC-Acolytes they once said they would stop. Mindless ganking, with no real goal.
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Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#124 - 2014-08-23 07:10:07 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
Rayo Atra wrote:
infraction X = annoying CCP id guess.


Possible, but not proportional. If you're saying CCP doesn't have to be proportional in it's reaction to infractions, I disagree.



careful, questioning a ruling constitutes an attack on CCP which we certainly don't want

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#125 - 2014-08-23 07:46:21 UTC
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Anal Canal
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#126 - 2014-08-23 09:06:59 UTC
Jessica Talvanen wrote:
Just because you have attention does not mean you have respect.



Respect is overrated. It's like bland franchise chain cheese pizza. Throw in something snazzy.














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Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#127 - 2014-08-23 10:30:28 UTC
I was totally expecting CODE to provide a decree of laughter and be humiliated in AT, say... RvB FC telling his squad to watch while he goes solo massacre entire CODE team or something equally stupid. Not showing up was a slight disappointment at first, but the attempt for damage control and hilariously claiming that community is in tears over this has been almost as good now - and it seems to be only getting better.

I do think community is in tears. Tears of laughter though.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#128 - 2014-08-23 11:09:57 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Black Pedro wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Sure it is.
Players that specifically go out of their way to disrupt the entire tournament receive a harsher penalty than those caught cheating for personal gain.

It doesn't get much more clear cut than that, as one is much, much more disruptive to the tournament than the other.

And... to put it bluntly... I don't really much care if the crap on my shoe gets upset when I scrape it off.


Really, watching matches where the outcome has been predetermined by the participants is entertaining?

And I still don't see how failing to show up for a match (something that has been common in previous years) disrupts the tournament to any serious extent - if a team doesn't show by the deadline just declare them as forfeiting and move on.

And your last sentence is to my point. If you don't like CODE. and don't want them to participate just be intellectually honest with yourself and admit that, rather than framing their actions as some sort of exceptional slight to the tournament that merits an unprecedented punishment. They have done nothing that hasn't been done dozens of times before and is objectively less serious than the transgressions of other major alliances in previous years.

No, watching a predetermined match is not entertaining. That is why tournament rules have become more strict and will result in a Ban now. However trying to profit from fixing a match is a bit less encompassing than trying to disrupt the entire tournament schedule.

In the past when a team could not field a full team or otherwise participate in their assigned match, they at least communicated it in advance of the match. Code failed to make this good will gesture and brag that it was intentional.

And lastly, my misguided friend, I heartily approve of Code and their particular play style as an integral part of the EVE environment. They play their part and play it well.
However when they stoop to disrupting an event specifically removed from the EVE universe proper as a form of pure competition for the enjoyment of the entire player base it shows complete contempt for the game, the development team, and the player base as a whole (including you and I).

It puts things on a whole different level, and is somewhat akin to kicking your chess opponent in the groin (obvious chess boxing jokes aside for the moment). Its at that moment leaving behind simply having an obnoxious play style that is perfectly valid, and crossing the line into actively trying (and ultimately failing) to be destructive to the game and player base itself.

I am quite comfortable standing by my earlier analogy. Smile


If we are going with chess analogies, I would put forth that you don't always have to forfeit a match by kicking your opponent, or the officials, in the nuts. You can forfeit by informing the organizers that you are not willing to play, or alternatively ,by not making it to the chess match on time because you slept in, got lost on the way to the venue, or you decided your time is better spent in your hotel room with a hooker. Each of these show varying levels of disrespect for the tournament organizers, but usually (aside from the nut-kicking) would typically just result in you forfeiting that match in a tournament, not a permaban.

I guess our different view points arise from what I said before - parts of the community view the failure to show as blatant disrespect akin to kicking CCP in the nuts because of CODE.'s general attitude and that they don't take the game as seriously as them (AKA a form of butthurt). But really, they did nothing that many other teams have done in previous years - failing to show just makes them look bad to some and doesn't really disrupt the tournament despite what some claim here. And in fact their transgression was much less than others who were left unpunished with a permanent ban. The heavy-handed permaban and the general hysterical response from the community (not from you friend, your response has been measured and at least rational from your point of view) just reinforces that CODE.'s antics have gotten to many, and this is a win for the Code.

More proof that really the Code always wins.

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Mira Robinson
#129 - 2014-08-23 12:03:55 UTC
Rabe Raptor wrote:
Revis Owen wrote:
Rayo Atra wrote:
infraction X = annoying CCP id guess.


Possible, but not proportional. If you're saying CCP doesn't have to be proportional in it's reaction to infractions, I disagree.



careful, questioning a ruling constitutes an attack on CCP which we certainly don't want

I don't think many of us have much of a problem with dropping it once they've put their foot down.

Their. Game.

Once the decision has been made, you should most definitely shut the hell up and take your punishment like an at-the-keyboard capsuleer.

Don't like it? By all means, stop giving them money.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#130 - 2014-08-23 12:29:16 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:


If we are going with chess analogies, I would put forth that you don't always have to forfeit a match by kicking your opponent, or the officials, in the nuts. You can forfeit by informing the organizers that you are not willing to play, or alternatively ,by not making it to the chess match on time because you slept in, got lost on the way to the venue, or you decided your time is better spent in your hotel room with a hooker. Each of these show varying levels of disrespect for the tournament organizers, but usually (aside from the nut-kicking) would typically just result in you forfeiting that match in a tournament, not a permaban.

I guess our different view points arise from what I said before - parts of the community view the failure to show as blatant disrespect akin to kicking CCP in the nuts because of CODE.'s general attitude and that they don't take the game as seriously as them (AKA a form of butthurt). But really, they did nothing that many other teams have done in previous years - failing to show just makes them look bad to some and doesn't really disrupt the tournament despite what some claim here. And in fact their transgression was much less than others who were left unpunished with a permanent ban. The heavy-handed permaban and the general hysterical response from the community (not from you friend, your response has been measured and at least rational from your point of view) just reinforces that CODE.'s antics have gotten to many, and this is a win for the Code.

The trouble is, that what they did differs clearly from any of your examples. I can see 3 basic levels of severity to their general infraction. The mildest is really not being able to play, but making every effort to notify the organizer immediately and working with them in good faith to mitigate the trouble. An automatic loss of the match seems an appropriate response. Rematch could be possible, if both sides and the organizer come to an agreement. The middle being just not showing up without any effort put forth to inform and mitigate possible issues. A ban from the tournament would be appropriate here.

What happened this time is a bit more severe, since they just walked out from the competition intentionally dismissing and avoiding to respond to the tournament organizer. Their team didn't exactly just fail to show up. They were already there. They gave no valid reason not to fight. They chose to walk away and they dismissed the CCP without a reason and avoided their attempts at discussing the situation. Later on came the different bragging stories of questionable validity, but they probably didn't help. Clearly something more severe then a tournament ban was appropriate, but since the event is separated from the normal game CCP's options are fairly limited. Personally I can't say I would have permabanned them from the event, but they were expected to be one of the weakest tournament teams/possible joke team, so there really is very little reason to make a fuss over their demise. Basically it just means a team with no chance of making in to the final weekend can't compete in future tournaments. The quality of the tournament certainly isn't going to suffer because of them not being there and it acts as a warning to the real teams to not pull off anything similar. It's not even an obstacle for the players in their team for future participation. All they have to do is take part under a different colored flag.
Marcius Decimus
BLISSA CORP
#131 - 2014-08-23 14:59:25 UTC
All I have to say is that if the use of "tears" and "rage" have been redefined to what people are declaring in this thread, then the definition of "tears" and "rage" have been greatly expanded beyond any meaning.
lt anglehe
Coven Protectorate
#132 - 2014-08-23 15:11:37 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
lt anglehe wrote:
Personally I would expand it to perma bans for the team captain and alliance leader, send the message, In Mother Iceland CCP fucks you


I don't imagine that happening. However, your rage is yummy . . . keep it up! :)


You see you are the epitome of why CODE is nothing more than a bunch of basement dwelling idiots.

You only see things as .. agree with us .. cool ... disagree with us .. OMFG RAGE KTHXS TEARS KKGG .

There is a whole spectrum of emotional responses to what you do that you fail to recognise because your ego's are so flimsy and insubstantial they cannot survive the idea that to 99% of the EVE population you are nothing. That's right, nothing. Non Entities, No Marks, who the **** is CODE anyway?

Keep believing you are relevant, hate to break it to you but... you are not.
Bruce the Baker
Doomheim
#133 - 2014-08-23 15:12:45 UTC
I've heard the Code team have already begun preperations for participation in the New Eden Open.

The tears and the angst from the anti Code brigade when they register will no doubt be magnificent.
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#134 - 2014-08-23 15:21:10 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
8 EyedSpy wrote:
Coffee Rocks wrote:
b) they are victims of CCP "violating their rights unfairly".


CCP has the right to do whatever they want but when one group is harshly punished for something and others are not it strikes me as pretty unfair.


Yeah, I think there is something else going on that CCP isn't telling us. The only reason I can think of is that CCP just doesn't like CODE and looks for excuses to punish us. I hope that isn't the case and there is some other reason for a permaban.


The closest thing to "interesting" your group comes to is the immense force you turn out in when it comes to terms of damage control. Trust me, that's only a little entertaining - like watching a Westboro baptist church social event.

One of these days, you poor folk will realize we picture you like the smelly kid in the classroom who rubs their own poop on the wall and thinks it is hilarious. The rest of us are simply trying to ignore you exist, hoping that you'll either a) drop out of school, or b) get expelled.

In this case, though, you interrupted a football match by running out into the field naked, hit the fetal position, and started sobbing uncontrollably. It was embarrassing for you, it embarrassed the school, and it simply wasted the teams' time. So, the school chose to ban you from further football games.

Personally, I'd prefer if they just up and expelled you completely. But it's a game - you'd just resub under a new account, so v0v.

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Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#135 - 2014-08-23 15:23:48 UTC
Marcius Decimus wrote:
All I have to say is that if the use of "tears" and "rage" have been redefined to what people are declaring in this thread, then the definition of "tears" and "rage" have been greatly expanded beyond any meaning.


Right? Roll

That's part of what I mean by their "damage control" - start logging into alts and trying to redefine what happened, and in this case, the definition of terms. It's weird, man, lol.

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Fuji Tamura
Mass Solutions
#136 - 2014-08-23 16:14:04 UTC
Code knows they are a joke....and they are trying really hard to defend themselves!

If they did not care, why are they spending so much time pouring over this thread and reposting quotes and so vehemently defending a reputation they supposedly do not care about?

Go ahead CODE. and quote this on a reply and tell us again how you do not care, your pretentious tears amuse us all.
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#137 - 2014-08-23 16:40:23 UTC
Fuji Tamura wrote:
Code knows they are a joke....and they are trying really hard to defend themselves!

If they did not care, why are they spending so much time pouring over this thread and reposting quotes and so vehemently defending a reputation they supposedly do not care about?

Go ahead CODE. and quote this on a reply and tell us again how you do not care, your pretentious tears amuse us all.



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#138 - 2014-08-23 17:48:47 UTC
Rabe Raptor wrote:
Fuji Tamura wrote:
Code knows they are a joke....and they are trying really hard to defend themselves!

If they did not care, why are they spending so much time pouring over this thread and reposting quotes and so vehemently defending a reputation they supposedly do not care about?

Go ahead CODE. and quote this on a reply and tell us again how you do not care, your pretentious tears amuse us all.



We don't care :)



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Sa'haira
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2014-08-23 18:04:18 UTC
I am so buttmad that i challenge CODE (all of it) to a duel.

YinKo Toranaga
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#140 - 2014-08-23 19:21:24 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
Cheating in AT = Disqualification from that AT, but no perma-ban.
"Infraction X" in AT = Permaban from AT.

Could someone please fill in "Infraction X" above, which CODE. alliance committed. Obviously, "Infraction X" must be far, far worse than cheating. No-showing, even no-showing without warning, isn't worse than cheating.

If 1) no-showing without warning = AT permaban, then surely:
2) cheating = AT permaban at least, if not EVE permaban.

What was CODE.'s "Infraction X"? Because if we're just talking about "no-show without warning", I'm not seeing correct proportionality in CCP's sanction of that relative to how they sanctioned pure cheating.


Infraction X is deliberately screwing around with CCP and messing with their tournament. Notice I say "deliberately" - because it is pretty obvious that loyalanon decided to say "screw CCP" and just pull a no-show instead of withdrawing. The failure of you guys to respond in any way to CCP's inquiry was just your way of flipping them off -

so they decided to flip you all off instead with a permaban from the AT.

I'd say that is the opinion over at CCP, and it is their opinion that counts since - contrary to the opinion of James 315 - it is their game and not yours.