EVE General Discussion

good god carebear roleplayers are annoying...

From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship. The issue with this is that there's really no economic opportunity's for anyone who's flying a non-PVP ship (miner, hauler, etc.). There's just too much ganking/gate camping, and why is that? There's more money in classic pirate ransom than blowing up anything that flies in space, and I'd take ISK over ship explosions and killboard numbers any day. With the "if it moves, it's dead" tactics it limits the growth of that area. It makes it too dangerous for anyone without a PVP fit. At least if I pay 50% of my ship value to a pirate, I get to keep my non-pvp ship and not recieve money from my horrible "platinum" policy which actually covers 1% of my ship value. That brings me into another matter. Insurance is broken. CCP's "anti-fraud" insurance backfired. Why does my super-durable procurer have a "100%" value of 2 million ISK, but my frigate insurance worth the real 100%? I think when CCP designed nullsec/lowsec, they didn't expect that ganking would become so popular, and insurance needs a big overhaul. Once nullsec/lowsec becomes more ISK centered and insurance becomes useful, people will begin going there more often.

CODE are pirates.

The thing with ransom is....you need time to negotiate ransom.

There are different situations where a honest scumbag can make some ISK out of ransom.
In High Sec I guess it is only possible if you catch someone you have wardecced....or someone who is stupid enough to pick up a suspect flag unintentionally.
While you probably have all the time in the world ransoming a single wartarget in high sec - ransoming a Suspect can be compromised by the next trigger happy pilot that flies by.

In Low Sec you can catch people in all kind of situations...gates, missions, plexes or belts, yet a negotiation for ransom is always under a lot of time pressure. As long as you are not in a group and try to ransom someone solo there are either gate guns which end you pretty fast if your target isn´t a pirate or aggressed you first (yeah I know right? that never ever happens) or rats that - if you are flying caldari low sec, tend to switch aggro and then jam the crap out of you (and you loose point). It is there fore less probable to even get offered a ransom when tackled by a single pirate in low.

SO while I could think of ways of making ransom a really profitable source of solo income in 0.0 and high sec, you basicly need to be in a group (aka >2 pilots to for example switch point at gates to reset the gate guns while ransoming) in low sec to make use of every "theatre".


tl.,dr.:
Solo Pirates can ransom victims in High Sec or 0,0 - Low sec plays a minor role due to environmental boundaries.
A group of people can ransom everywhere but also attract more attention.


Edit:
Regarding people that make huge income by ganking freighters with destroyers - its efficient and looks a lot like piracy to me. Different kind of pirates but I would call them that.
The mining permits CODE (is it still the mining thing?) gives out....I would not call that piracy...its more like a criminal organisation with mafia style.

From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship. The issue with this is that there's really no economic opportunity's for anyone who's flying a non-PVP ship (miner, hauler, etc.). There's just too much ganking/gate camping, and why is that? There's more money in classic pirate ransom than blowing up anything that flies in space, and I'd take ISK over ship explosions and killboard numbers any day. With the "if it moves, it's dead" tactics it limits the growth of that area. It makes it too dangerous for anyone without a PVP fit. At least if I pay 50% of my ship value to a pirate, I get to keep my non-pvp ship and not recieve money from my horrible "platinum" policy which actually covers 1% of my ship value. That brings me into another matter. Insurance is broken. CCP's "anti-fraud" insurance backfired. Why does my super-durable procurer have a "100%" value of 2 million ISK, but my frigate insurance worth the real 100%? I think when CCP designed nullsec/lowsec, they didn't expect that ganking would become so popular, and insurance needs a big overhaul. Once nullsec/lowsec becomes more ISK centered and insurance becomes useful, people will begin going there more often.

Looks like you just can't have a thread about the kind of emergent player-driven content that makes EVE so great without the New Order becoming the very topic of discussion.

No surprise really, what tops saving highsec?

What, then, do you call a PvP'er or pirate who willingly engages a superior opponent?

I'm thinking you don't know what "risk averse" really means. Discretion is often used even by the most foolhardy PvP players. There's a difference between choosing not to throw yourself at an obvious ROFLstomp and avoiding any and all situations where winning isn't guaranteed.
Just because I'm not about to solo-tackle one member of a 12-man Heretic fleet in my Harpy, doesn't mean I'm risk-averse. However, I will try my luck with just one Dictor, by itself. Makes the killmail so much sweeter when you were just barely outmatched.

Uh huh. Right. You can't dock anywhere but pirate havens in the middle of nowhere. The faction navies shoot you on sight....funny. And, yeah, I have no problem whatever crossing Rancer. There's nothing there to stop for anyway. Boogy boogy BOO! etc. Oh yeah, and fun for the one you robbed. Right. Like I said. It's kid stuff. Don't forget to wash behind your ears.

1) You can't be a pirate in this game simply because that kind of behavior is sanctioned, it's not punished.

2) You aren't an outlaw. You're an in-law. You suffer no retribution, no ostracization, and you certainly
don't pay a price of any sort for it.

3) In fact, this so-called piracy is so laughable it's hard to imagine anyone
wishing to see themselves as competitive and competent gamers admitting publicly to doing it.

4) To discuss it like you're putting a fine point to it? How delusional can you GET?