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CODE. disqualified from AT XII

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#101 - 2014-08-22 19:36:35 UTC
Really, serious question here guys. We here at CODEdawt just don't "get it" when it comes to social interaction. Please tell us why we fail at communication when clearly we know how to post in the forums and write blogs.

Oh also, we don't care because tears and things.

But seriously, take us seriously.

Guys?

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#102 - 2014-08-22 19:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Ranger 1 wrote:

Sure it is.
Players that specifically go out of their way to disrupt the entire tournament receive a harsher penalty than those caught cheating for personal gain.

It doesn't get much more clear cut than that, as one is much, much more disruptive to the tournament than the other.

And... to put it bluntly... I don't really much care if the crap on my shoe gets upset when I scrape it off.


Really, watching matches where the outcome has been predetermined by the participants is entertaining?

And I still don't see how failing to show up for a match (something that has been common in previous years) disrupts the tournament to any serious extent - if a team doesn't show by the deadline just declare them as forfeiting and move on.

And your last sentence is to my point. If you don't like CODE. and don't want them to participate just be intellectually honest with yourself and admit that, rather than framing their actions as some sort of exceptional slight to the tournament that merits an unprecedented punishment. They have done nothing that hasn't been done dozens of times before and is objectively less serious than the transgressions of other major alliances in previous years.

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Mira Robinson
#103 - 2014-08-22 19:54:29 UTC
So an alliance that is primarily known for their attention-whoring and generation of tears now generates their own tears over their consequences.

In short, CODE. has become self-sustaining. The end is neigh.

But seriously, this is equivalent to a child getting caught breaking a rule, getting punishment, and throwing a tantrum screaming "But Jimmy was doing it too!"

Is the punishment just? Fair? That's open to debate, but if you're whining about how just or fair it was in a game like Eve, then please, reconsider your choice of game.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#104 - 2014-08-22 20:26:04 UTC
Rayo Atra wrote:
infraction X = annoying CCP id guess.


Possible, but not proportional. If you're saying CCP doesn't have to be proportional in it's reaction to infractions, I disagree.

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Mira Robinson
#105 - 2014-08-22 20:29:53 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
Rayo Atra wrote:
infraction X = annoying CCP id guess.


Possible, but not proportional. If you're saying CCP doesn't have to be proportional in it's reaction to infractions, I disagree.

You can disagree all you like. Their game.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#106 - 2014-08-22 20:42:15 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
CODE. shoot newbies and calls it "fair contest"

CCP perma-bans CODE from AT and calls it fair verdict.

This is EVE dude, harsh, cold universe, full of injustice, treason and without any honor Blink


So, your theory is CCP's philosophy agrees with CODE.'s: it's a cold, harsh universe--HTFU or go to Hello Kitty. I would be totally down with that, but some CCP actions directly contradict that theory. Try again.

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Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#107 - 2014-08-22 20:51:02 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Cheating . . . warrants a slap . . . a team which chooses to just bail without a justified reason or notification . . . is pretty much the worst case scenario


Totally disagree. Cheating is a worse offense than bailing.

But aside from that mere difference of opinion, let's look at historical facts. CODE. has been the only ones to "bail without a justified reason or notification"? No, they haven't. What sanction did others get? AT permaban? No, they didn't. Address that.

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lt anglehe
Coven Protectorate
#108 - 2014-08-22 21:04:13 UTC
Anal Canal wrote:
The alliance gets the initial entry fee/deposit back I would assume since we are no longer allowed to participate within said tournament. Most lottos/drawings/bingo/what-have-yous that end with the results being null & void return the initial ante to the players involved.


I would suggest the best thing CODE. can do right now is not **** off CCP any further unless you like the idea of Doomheim, IE shut the hell up and keep your heads down.
lt anglehe
Coven Protectorate
#109 - 2014-08-22 21:06:26 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
CODE. shoot newbies and calls it "fair contest"

CCP perma-bans CODE from AT and calls it fair verdict.

This is EVE dude, harsh, cold universe, full of injustice, treason and without any honor Blink


So, your theory is CCP's philosophy agrees with CODE.'s: it's a cold, harsh universe--HTFU or go to Hello Kitty. I would be totally down with that, but some CCP actions directly contradict that theory. Try again.


Indeed it is, that's why CCP never takes direct action against CODE. griefing in high sec. Your tears however are delicious, please continue defending your buttmunch buddies.

Personally I would expand it to perma bans for the team captain and alliance leader, send the message, In Mother Iceland CCP fucks you
Mira Robinson
#110 - 2014-08-22 21:08:26 UTC
lt anglehe wrote:
Anal Canal wrote:
The alliance gets the initial entry fee/deposit back I would assume since we are no longer allowed to participate within said tournament. Most lottos/drawings/bingo/what-have-yous that end with the results being null & void return the initial ante to the players involved.


I would suggest the best thing CODE. can do right now is not **** off CCP any further unless you like the idea of Doomheim, IE shut the hell up and keep your heads down.

I don't think they are capable of that. They like the attention too much.

And unless they come forward with the actual reason they did not fight, CCP should treat it as an intentional trolling of the Alliance Tournament, and so their permaban from it is completely justified.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#111 - 2014-08-22 22:10:50 UTC
I agree with CCP on this one.

Those CODE. guys just fly around and kill everything they want and no one even tries to stop them in-game. I mean killing empty freighters and skiffs just doesn't seem sporting at all ffs. WHY DIDN'T WE SEE THEIR AT STRATEGY COMING!?! QQ At every point in their exsistence they've chosen the troll path. WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO LOGIN AND HAVE FUN!?!

They even roleplay in local... *gags* It's about time something was done!!!!

+1 CCP

For 4 weekends a year we will all know where CODE. won't be!

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Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2014-08-22 22:56:29 UTC
Absolutely appropriate the response from CCP. Puts a real conclusion to it without being draconian.

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#113 - 2014-08-22 23:41:33 UTC
lt anglehe wrote:
Personally I would expand it to perma bans for the team captain and alliance leader, send the message, In Mother Iceland CCP fucks you


I don't imagine that happening. However, your rage is yummy . . . keep it up! :)

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Weapons Hot
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2014-08-22 23:59:48 UTC
Anyone who realizes that EVE is a game played with thousands of other people who matter just as much as themselves would have responded to the lifetime Alliance Tournament ban with some humility and the acknowledgement that they did not handle the situation well.

Instead, we have more immature antics and blame assignment all in an effort to deflect criticism while impugning the character of the very same people that have already afforded them countless hours of entertainment in their sandbox. They demand to be treated equal, yet they have done absolutely nothing, *anywhere*, to indicate that they believe anyone else is their equal. Not even lip service.

The reason CODE. can't get no respect, baby, is because CODE. doesn't give no respect. So what do they expect?
JTClone Ares
Deep Space Exploration Corps
#115 - 2014-08-23 00:15:16 UTC
Eve online is a very harsh place code. You guys decided to join the AT. Then someone had paid you guys to not even show up. This is your response from CCP. Suck it up. some of us at the AG community have sucked it up on our ends. Now lets see if you can handle your own stupidity.


What CCP did was right and what code did was wrong. The AT is for entertainment reasons that does help promote the game. Many of use so called carebears did in fact want to see you code at the AT and lose ships. Would have been nice if you guys had shown up in your many other ships you guys have trained for. Been cool if you guys showed up in brutix or frigates. You guys decided to not show any entertainment making CCP look bad in the process. Its called communication.

Yes you do deserve what you got and be happy they didn't ban you all from eve for life. Now that would be harsh. Code be glad that did not happen. Just be glad because of your ignorance you only got banned from ever doing the AT again. Not only did you not follow the rules because you wanted to fly a black ops freighter (loyal) and had demanded things to do in the At against RvB.

Read the rules, Listen to CCP, and remember this is a game. Meant for entertainment, fun, and meeting other players around the world an competing against them.

Code you are allowed to say your own opinions. But you are to take your own responsibilities instead of blaming everything against RvB and CCP.

Stop being butthurt and crying about the punishment you got from CCP. Its called grow up and move forward.


Next time don't take a bribe when your own pride, face, respect, and honor is on the side. Ever again.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#116 - 2014-08-23 00:30:14 UTC
8 EyedSpy wrote:
Coffee Rocks wrote:
b) they are victims of CCP "violating their rights unfairly".


CCP has the right to do whatever they want but when one group is harshly punished for something and others are not it strikes me as pretty unfair.


Yeah, I think there is something else going on that CCP isn't telling us. The only reason I can think of is that CCP just doesn't like CODE and looks for excuses to punish us. I hope that isn't the case and there is some other reason for a permaban.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#117 - 2014-08-23 00:33:34 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Revis Owen wrote:

What was CODE.'s "Infraction X"? Because if we're just talking about "no-show without warning", I'm not seeing correct proportionality in CCP's sanction of that relative to how they sanctioned pure cheating.


CODE. shoot newbies and calls it "fair contest"

CCP perma-bans CODE from AT and calls it fair verdict.

This is EVE dude, harsh, cold universe, full of injustice, treason and without any honor Blink



CCP should probably follow different rules than players .
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#118 - 2014-08-23 00:36:24 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
roigon wrote:
Regardless of who or what CODE is, CCP has been pretty clear that the AT is special and TQ antics will not be appreciated if it interferes with providing entertaining matches.

The given sanction was listed in the AT rules as the harshest penalty CCP was prepared to dish out. Simply logging off just before your match is probably the biggest middle finger you can give to the AT and it's organisers. Colour me unsurprised that CCP chose to dish out the harshest penalty.


It still seems a little disproportionate to me. If actual cheating (i.e. match fixing) was not met with a permanent ban in previous years, why such a harsh penalty for simply not showing up? Something plenty of teams have done before in the past with no penalty other than forfeiting that match. Also a permaban penalizes a whole alliance forever for something that is the fault of one (the team captain) or a few individuals.

By all means kick them out of the tournament (although forfeiture of the the match plus the public derision for bowing out seems punishment enough to me), but it appears to me that CODE. is being singled out with a permaban for reasons other than just not taking the field. It is of course CCP's right to do so, but what it isn't is fair or consistent enforcement of the rules.

Sure it is.
Players that specifically go out of their way to disrupt the entire tournament receive a harsher penalty than those caught cheating for personal gain.

It doesn't get much more clear cut than that, as one is much, much more disruptive to the tournament than the other.

And... to put it bluntly... I don't really much care if the crap on my shoe gets upset when I scrape it off.


How do you know that Code did it specifically to disrupt the tournament? THat is nowhere in the stated reason given by CCP.
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#119 - 2014-08-23 02:32:45 UTC
On behalf of CODE. (the premiere 1337peeveepee alliance in eve) I would like to offer a real and honest explanation of what CODE. is.

I'm not going to type a bunch of words here, I'm going to link something. I would appreciate if you guise would listen to the words and maybe, just maybe you'll come to understand how much we love eve online (a spaceship game) and how we look forward to a brighter future for all eve players.

The New Order of Highsec is Love

Thank you, see you in space.

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Annie Sprookov
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2014-08-23 02:37:29 UTC

Exert from page 12 of the CODE of CONDUCT Standard Operating Proceedure

[2] Situational Modus Operandi Tactical Training

(a) When facing similiar numbers:

C an we win if the field is even?
O hhh shite no!
D uck out the back door bro's
E xecute elaborate media hype :"We did it for the ISK"

(b) When facing a newbie:

C orner the newbie ship
O bliterate it
I will not be dilvulging the source of this leaked document, and am unwilling to reveal any more content at this time..

I will, however add, this Operating Manual appears to be an elobaration of the footnote at the bottom of every page "Live by the CODE don't die by it!"