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Open Letter To White Knight Community Re: Suicide Ganks In Progress
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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#61 - 2014-08-22 07:29:56 UTC
Part of the reason I quit mining was that I realized it was taking me from being my usual quiet, mildly antisocial self into a whole new realm of ill-tempered behavior. It's boring and it's work and I was paying to do it, rather than being paid to... and this conflicts with me on a deep level. It stops being entertaining, relaxing, or fun after a while... and that's when it's time to do something different. Not stopping at that point is where I think many bears start to poison themselves over time.

But on the other hand I'm guessing that most activities in EVE have a limited half-life for fun that works against you before bittervetdom starts to seriously set in. Topics like this are kind of refreshing as folks try to find new ways to make things more lively.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#62 - 2014-08-22 07:35:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yeah, reading through that, I just couldn't understand why it has to be that hard.

Here, I'll do this Gauntlet Style.

"Blue Hauler is now IT!"

"Blue Hauler needs food... badly"

And if nothing happens...

"Blue Hauler has died"



YES! This must be done! But only if they system can hear "Green Hulk Has Shot The Food" with that sad little 8-bit wah sound.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

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CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#63 - 2014-08-22 07:39:06 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:


I actually did not believe the anti-gankers were as toxic as my fellow gankers told me they were, until I started spying on their channel.



Neither did I.

Many players can tell you how much time I invested actually trying to help said "anti-ganking" community, organize community events, have fun with them, enjoy internet spaceship pew pew with them - and the result was always the same. Rage, homophobia, sadness, tears, more rage, insanity, and the whole gambit of the most depressing parts about the entire human condition.

I gave up. It's best to just shoot the foul mouthed carebear, talking to them is pointless. Wait for them to learn to be polite and decent, then speak to them.



I think my favorite anti-ganking experience (aside from the KB on the Dryson KM) was when someone challenged me to a fight at the sun and then was upset when I sent in a couple fellow alliance members while I sat docked trying to count venture kills. The putridness that they spew, even after multiple attempts of requesting to keep local clean, is amazing. In fact I was was recently requested to self-copulate with a boar oar. Not the exact phrase, but I am sure the meaning gets across.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

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CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#64 - 2014-08-22 07:44:40 UTC
Quote:
DJ-O : Something about making mining more interactive (Sorry I have long quote windows)



I think it would be a fantastic idea to alter the aspect of mining, hell throw in a Mario Party mini game styled thing... move the mouse over the slow moving red dot on the rock to increase yield or whatever. I realize the coding would be a pain and what not for that specific example, but I am sure there can be something feasibly done. Figuratively the last time I mined, my computer went to sleep. Having to change settings for power control while 'playing' a game just really should not happen. Introduce something more... have a OMG BS spawn randomly. As to fix the tanking issue, I say everything all rocks have SPLODES. I learned that the hard way once in a WH.

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The terminal end of the digestive system. 

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Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#65 - 2014-08-22 08:46:30 UTC
***Bottom line***

Most White Knights are awful at pvp because most of them are miners who got ganked. 75% of them actually think whoring onto CONCORD's killmail slows us down or harms us, as evident by them then linking the KM and saying things like "I warned you", lol.
The other 25% of the baddies are just too excited to have something on their killboards.

The few that are actually good players generally don't want to spend 15-20 minutes for our timers to run off so they can't be bothered too much.

The few of the few who are good and are dedicated and willing to wait out timers are in clear violation of Subsection 3 of The Law. Repent at once or be annilihated.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#66 - 2014-08-22 11:49:08 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
I'm all for teaching new players new things. Relatively speaking, I'm brand new to the game myself and the greatest source of information I've been privaleged to use is other players.

That said, I think what Bronson is getting at is that "anti-ganking" presents a unique combat opporotunity and it would be intersting to find a way to make it work. Whether a gank victim benefits or suffers as a result is inconsequential. You could debate the merits and methods of helping bad players endlessly, but in the context of curiosity it really doesn't matter.

At least, that's the way I read it.


I agree with that - there's a unique combat opportunity to be had - and the New Order has a long history of actually helping "anti-ganking" movements with the goal of more pew pew and fun for everyone, but we run into the same problem every single time, and it goes down the exact same path literally every single time.

1) Group of players come together with the goal of fighting New Order players (after all, most of us are -10 security status and can literally be shot at any time, anywhere, by anyone).

2) Group grows and begins to take in toxic members of the EVE community who lost a ship or other assets to the New Order at some point, and who are so angry about these losses that they have literally forgotten EVE is a video game and will justify things like comparing the New Order to a specific deceased German leader all while equating shooting internet spaceships in a video game about shooting internet spaceships to all manner of disturbing real world behaviors or mental conditions.

3) All serious members of group leave and give up due to not wanting to spend time with toxic elements of the community lest they be associated with players of this caliber.

4) At least a few of these former members join the New Order and have a great time flying with us.

Now, of course, this all sounds like nothing but a win for the New Order (and after all, the New Order does ALWAYS win - this is just basic game mechanics) - but honorable warriors like us crave challenge and fun. We have tried to get involved in every step of this process to prevent the community implosion that every anti ganking community falls under, as we crave a challenge and grow tired of seeing these communities become their own worst enemies.

I think what it comes down to is simply fun. You're not going to find many players who will find waiting around for hours for others to create content that they have but a small chance of being part of "fun", where as high-sec ganking is literally some of the most LOL filled and "fun" you can have in high-sec. I have no idea how to fix this, but would like to see changes made to allow the players themselves to perhaps fill the role by boring NPC groups such as the Factional Police, and more players being given the chance to engage us in combat. After all, we are all PVP junkies who crave good fights all day!



Confirming this.

I actually did not believe the anti-gankers were as toxic as my fellow gankers told me they were, until I started spying on their channel.


Confirming the confirmation ... except I wasn't spying on them.

Not that I'm anti-ganking so much as bored.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#67 - 2014-08-22 11:51:48 UTC
Can confirm Vel is in that room of failures,
but doesn't really belong there.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#68 - 2014-08-22 11:53:22 UTC
Rabe Raptor wrote:
***Bottom line***

Most White Knights are awful at pvp because most of them are miners who got ganked. 75% of them actually think whoring onto CONCORD's killmail slows us down or harms us, as evident by them then linking the KM and saying things like "I warned you", lol.
The other 25% of the baddies are just too excited to have something on their killboards.

The few that are actually good players generally don't want to spend 15-20 minutes for our timers to run off so they can't be bothered too much.

The few of the few who are good and are dedicated and willing to wait out timers are in clear violation of Subsection 3 of The Law. Repent at once or be annilihated.

Correction...
The few of the few who are good get mobbed out by the ego asshats,
with the mods supporting them.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Velicitia
XS Tech
#69 - 2014-08-22 11:58:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Solecist Project wrote:
Can confirm Vel is in that room of failures,
but doesn't really belong there.


Confirming it's all a plan to AWO... *cough* erhm ... help them become better players at eve.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#70 - 2014-08-22 12:17:27 UTC
*chuckle* one and the same, yes?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Solecist Project
#71 - 2014-08-22 12:38:54 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Can confirm Vel is in that room of failures,
but doesn't really belong there.


Confirming it's all a plan to AWO... *cough* erhm ... help them become better players at eve.

Oh btw, sexy .... where's your friend?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#72 - 2014-08-22 13:04:27 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Can confirm Vel is in that room of failures,
but doesn't really belong there.


Confirming it's all a plan to AWO... *cough* erhm ... help them become better players at eve.


Internal corporation level audits for compliance are sometimes required :P
Solecist Project
#73 - 2014-08-22 13:22:54 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Can confirm Vel is in that room of failures,
but doesn't really belong there.


Confirming it's all a plan to AWO... *cough* erhm ... help them become better players at eve.


Internal corporation level audits for compliance are sometimes required :P

Master... how about awoxxing permits?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2014-08-22 14:21:50 UTC
This could just be me, but whenever I see the term "anti ganking" all I can picture is a gang of ships dropping in on a wayward miner, locking the miner, then launching fireworks and jetting cans of minerals around them while posting "you win!" Over and over in local.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#75 - 2014-08-22 14:32:17 UTC
I've always wanted to load a manticore up with festival launchers and decloak in the middle of a massive ice mining op and just start popping off fireworks everywhere. Sadly either nobody would notice, or their lone interceptor guardian would get concorded 'counter ganking' me.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2014-08-22 14:39:43 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I've always wanted to load a manticore up with festival launchers and decloak in the middle of a massive ice mining op and just start popping off fireworks everywhere. Sadly either nobody would notice, or their lone interceptor guardian would get concorded 'counter ganking' me.



So doing this with a hound tonight. I'll chuckle even if no one else does Big smile
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#77 - 2014-08-22 14:49:53 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I've always wanted to load a manticore up with festival launchers and decloak in the middle of a massive ice mining op and just start popping off fireworks everywhere. Sadly either nobody would notice, or their lone interceptor guardian would get concorded 'counter ganking' me.



So doing this with a hound tonight. I'll chuckle even if no one else does Big smile
You should fraps it Big smile

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#78 - 2014-08-22 14:56:17 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I've always wanted to load a manticore up with festival launchers and decloak in the middle of a massive ice mining op and just start popping off fireworks everywhere. Sadly either nobody would notice, or their lone interceptor guardian would get concorded 'counter ganking' me.

I like yer style. "You get to keep your ships, but yer gonna need some new underwear."

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2014-08-22 15:07:20 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I've always wanted to load a manticore up with festival launchers and decloak in the middle of a massive ice mining op and just start popping off fireworks everywhere. Sadly either nobody would notice, or their lone interceptor guardian would get concorded 'counter ganking' me.

I like yer style. "You get to keep your ships, but yer gonna need some new underwear."


Suddenly, a gang of catalysts appear and start hull repping a mackinaw.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#80 - 2014-08-22 15:14:43 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I've always wanted to load a manticore up with festival launchers and decloak in the middle of a massive ice mining op and just start popping off fireworks everywhere. Sadly either nobody would notice, or their lone interceptor guardian would get concorded 'counter ganking' me.

I like yer style. "You get to keep your ships, but yer gonna need some new underwear."


Suddenly, a gang of catalysts appear and start hull repping a mackinaw.
That's evil, I like it.

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