Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A lot of people have been complaining that Strategic Cruisers are extremely strong, boasting battleship like offensive and defensive power in a nimble hull for a now competitive price point. The SP loss is still a deterrent to newer players but bittervets won’t mind much.

After a quick search, I havn't found any recent DEV post about possible T3 rebalance.

Do you think T3 cruiser are overpowered? why?
How do you guys see T3 Cruiser in a balanced game?

One idea I had was to make them similar in power to T2 cruisers, their strength would be their versatility and the surprise effect.
Ditch the SP loss
Remove their rig slots
Completely rewamp the subsystems so that the offensive and defensive power don’t exceed that of a battlecruiser or HAC. So that it can never be more effective at EWAR than a Recon. But could get say 1 of the 2 "recon bonus" and get a bit more tank or gank compared to force recon.

They are not overpowered (as in dps), the Orthrus cruiser has a bigger punch then a Tengu at the moment... and that is not even a battle cruiser.

Well if you compare a Tengu to an Eagle or a Cerberus, there is little point in using the laters.

I suppose the same applies with every other race, except maybe the Protheus/Ishtar.

CCP have stated that they will land between T1 and T2 cruisers. Expect many nerfs but also a few buffs but mostly massive nerfs.

T2 should be better than T3 in a specific area that is their specialisation ... but T3 should be able too do multiple things at the same time ... which is perhaps the main issue atm .. its a case of being able too bring a T3 too do the job of 2 or 3 ships .. for a fraction of the cost and skillpoints .. the trade-off being some effectiveness and eggs in one basket ..

remove rigs and SP loss .. make subs cheap .. so they can be interchangeable .. build the fittings/HP etc .. into the ship .. so subs only effect the ships bonuses .. this would make the hassle of changing subs and mods much less of a problem. and makes it easier too compare too other ships ..

The problem with a "jack of all trades" is that eve is a game of specializations. If you can do everything with 1 ship at once, but not as well as something that focuses on just 1, then 9 out of 10 times youll lose to the specialized ship. if you can do anything, but have to refit for roles, then it would be vastly more effective to just go to a carrier/dockup and exchange for a more powerful (and cheaper) specialized ship.

All nerfing them will do, is take away more value from living in womrhole space, since the only thing worth looting at that point will be blue-loot for NPC buy orders.

I don't like the idea of having no cpu and scanning/powergrid rigs on t3.
They would have to be completely changed.

It would decrease their uses.

I think main problem is the tank.
Dps and utility are certainly nice but not overpowered in any way.

T3's are only going to be nerfed in a few minor respects, and even then it's going to be a few select subsystems getting the axe that unbalance the rest of the ship.

Remember, T3's were created to be effective and versatile in WH space primarily. That doesn't mean that they have carte blanche to be unbalanced anywhere else, and that's the issue being addressed, but it does mean that they will never drop below the point of being effective in WH's. Corps in C5's and C6's rely heavily on their T3 sub-cap support to control both PvP and PvE engagements, wringing out every last drop of efficacy these ships have. Ruin that and there will be a lot of problems.

As mentioned by CCP during the last fanfest, the goal isn't to nerf t3's into the ground, it's to bring the unbalanced subsystems into check and to buff the subsystems that aren't being used so that T3's can enjoy the full versatility they were designed for.

I expect T3's to get an actual true to heart rebalance in every sense of the word, with no real drop in desirability or function, just a squashing of the outlying abuses of particular combinations of effects. Talk has also been floating around about removable rigs so that people don't have to stockpile hulls, defeating one of t he primary purposes of versatility.

Call me an optimist, but I think in the end T3's are going to experience an overall buff.

Except CCP also said they want them to be weaker in ANY regard to a T2. but able to fulfill multiple roles.

in other words, in EVE meta, they would never be used, because they would become too easy to overwhelm with specialized ships.

CCP pointed out in their graphs they wanted them to have less fight than a HAC, less logi than a logistics, etc, but be able to fit pieces of each. fact is, if they balance it around doing multiple roles, then to be relevant, fitting them for solely one would HAVE to be mroe powerful than a T2 because of the fitting space, which makes the rebalance irrelevant, and rebalancing them so that even focused they arent as good as a T2 would mean that when fulfiling their "multiple role" **** theyll be almost useless.

and no, throwing an extra T3-and-a-half of mods/subs in your inventory with a mobile depot is NOT justifiable as "being able to fulfill multiple roles", like so many propose, because relying on a mobile depot for your specialization means you lose your defining trait the second shooting starts (and lets not forget you need ammo and loot room aswell)

Who, when and where? The talk from fanfest and Down the pipe is easily found and recorded for all to see. I haven't seen anything about bringing them down below T2's, which is just a silly concept and defies all reasonable practices from a balance standpoint.

There is no gap to fill between T1's and T2's, and versatility will not make the ships more appealing than T2's for WHers if they fall behind T2's. The majority of WH corps are fully capable of manufacturing their own T2's and bugger the logistics of having a different ship for every role in the POS.

I'm not getting all teary-eyed here or wishing upon that twinkly star in my heart, it's just a simple fact. There is no place for a ship between T1's and T2's. That's where faction ships sit and they fill those roles better than T3's ever will.