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Discussion: Best <10 man gang!
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Darius Jackson
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-09-12 15:51:52 UTC
It's a Monday, and the forums are new and shiny, so let's start a discussion!

Post your best PVP fleet composition you can come up with (and the tactic) for less than 10 ships. Can use bonuses and logi if you wish, but it counts towards the 10. If relying on implants or boosters, specify.

I might even throw Isk at the best/most creative idea :)

Ready, go!
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-09-12 18:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter with Leadership V.

Alternately:

Carrier with Leadership V, Rifter with Cyno, Rifter with Leadership V, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-09-12 18:36:38 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter, Rifter with Leadership V.

The tactic used is to have a friend with a carrier or jump freighter on standby to ferry more Rifters into the target system, and continually slam your space ego into the enemy with no regard to the losses, until either your entire alliance's Rifter cache has been depleted or all the enemies are dead. If all of the enemies die before you run out of Rifters, you then proceed to look for more enemies in some other system. This process is repeated until all Rifters have been depleted from the cache, and then everyone self-destructs their capsules to return home and begin building, assembling and fitting more Rifters.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-09-12 18:41:26 UTC
I should point out that the Carrier or Jump Freighter in question is a non-combatant and will at no time assign fighters to any of the Rifters, and in fact he doesn't even have the Fighters skill trained because he is a stupid butt who does not know how to push buttons in this video game. Moreover it is important to recognize the significance of the Leadership V skill on at least one of the Rifter pilots, since there is a position in the fleet hierarchy called 'Squad Commander' which allows all subordinate Rifters to receive minor bonuses to agility and other useful attributes essential for long-term health and happiness of Rifter-class frigates. Ideally one or more RIfters will fit a Cynosural Field Generator, so that in the event of major losses or relocation of the fleet it is possible to quickly and efficiently move the Carrier or Jump Freighter into position to deposit more Rifters onto the battlefield or staging site.

Perhaps the best possible thing you could do is light your Cyno right on top of the enemy gang while assuring your buddy that you're actually lighting it on a station and that he has nothing to worry about; this would lead to your enemy not targeting the Rifters, which comprise the backbone of your fleet doctrine, and instead they will focus on that useless capital ship and then crow about their Kill/Death Ratio or ISK War whatever while completely failing to notice that your eight surviving Rifters were able to kill at least two of their ships while they were busy shooting that useless space brick.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-09-12 18:46:06 UTC
At the request of my squad leader I have taken my excellent and informative posting abilities away from Goonfleet dot com and instead have brought them to the masses here on the EVE Online forums where they may be better appreciated.

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-09-12 18:57:37 UTC
10 arbitrators

50 hammer head 2's plus neuts and tracking disruption, just avoid missile ships and u will be fine
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-09-12 19:01:37 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
10 arbitrators

50 hammer head 2's plus neuts and tracking disruption, just avoid missile ships and u will be fine

10 Avatars

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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#8 - 2011-09-12 19:12:01 UTC
I would go for

1 X Legion (all three armour links + interdiction link / evasive maneuvers link) keep it off grid, also use it to probe

2 X Guardians
1 X Neut Legion
1 X Web loki
5 X Zealot

The 2 Guardians will give a pretty decent projected tank, they'll be at risk from neuting / ECM though due to only 2.

Zealots provide damage, they can fit points, ECCM for the guards and maybe some TDs to help reduce incoming damage even more.

The legion helps you cap out enemy logistics and the like so you should be able to defeat dual-logistics fleets

The loki has cov ops for scouting, about 200k eHP for baiting and long range webs to help stop kiters

Add some halos + x-instinct for the zealots, slaves for the loki and talis for the guards + legion.

I know you have the weakness of having just 2 logistics but any more for a 10 man fleet is a bit unreasonable, I think this is one of the better armour fleets you could use. Another option would be going for kiting ships with a loki booster
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-09-12 19:14:53 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
I would go for

1 X Legion (all three armour links + interdiction link / evasive maneuvers link) keep it off grid, also use it to probe

2 X Guardians
1 X Neut Legion
1 X Web loki
5 X Zealot

The 2 Guardians will give a pretty decent projected tank, they'll be at risk from neuting / ECM though due to only 2.

Zealots provide damage, they can fit points, ECCM for the guards and maybe some TDs to help reduce incoming damage even more.

The legion helps you cap out enemy logistics and the like so you should be able to defeat dual-logistics fleets

The loki has cov ops for scouting, about 200k eHP for baiting and long range webs to help stop kiters

Add some halos + x-instinct for the zealots, slaves for the loki and talis for the guards + legion.

I know you have the weakness of having just 2 logistics but any more for a 10 man fleet is a bit unreasonable, I think this is one of the better armour fleets you could use. Another option would be going for kiting ships with a loki booster


Trade the neut legion for a guardian, and you have one hell of an incursion vanguard fleet.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-09-12 19:22:00 UTC
To be a bit more serious and provide some forum content that more of you would consider "relevant," I will go ahead and post something about Hurricanes and Scimitars. This is not a new and exciting thing, but it has not been mentioned yet in this thread so I will go ahead and post it.

7x Hurricane
3x Scimitar

Hurricanes are fit according to the "Welpfleet Doctrine," which uses AutoCannons, a small Shield tank, and low-power slots devoted to Gyrostabilizers and Tracking Enhancers; scimitars are fit to repair shields.

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Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#11 - 2011-09-12 19:58:01 UTC
It depends?

Best overall "we could run into anything" roaming fleet. I would go for

1xFast Tackle (inty, 3000scan rez+ with long point)
2xScimitar
3x Nano-Cane
3x Nano-Drake
1x Falcon (Scout/ECM)

Speed is your friend when you run from the bl00b, 2 scimies well flown is more than enough to handle any fight you wouldn't already be running from. I can not stress enough that you should have fast tackle and a cloaky scout...the null sec boys always count on a bubble...just being there...but in low sec it won't be...and more things than not will simply warp...leaving you in impotent rage!
Sugilite
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-09-12 21:17:25 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
10 arbitrators



10 neut domi.
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#13 - 2011-09-12 21:36:23 UTC
3 Tempests, 3 Hurricanes, 2 Rapiers and 1 Arazu. We've flown that gang a fair few times and it's performed admirably. Toss in a Link Loki for the 10th person for scouting as well.

The thing that most guys recommending Falcons, Logistics etc. fail to recognise is that most gang (vs gang) PvP is actually consensual, barring the ganks here and there. Therefore, it is important that your gang looks as unthreatening as possible. With the above setup, they should only be able to see 6 ships until the fight starts (Recons & Loki cloak up til then) so alot of gangs will go for them, whilst this setup has the capability to deal with much, much larger gangs since each ship type is there for a specific purpose.
James Arget
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#14 - 2011-09-12 21:48:22 UTC
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
3 Tempests, 3 Hurricanes, 2 Rapiers and 1 Arazu. We've flown that gang a fair few times and it's performed admirably. Toss in a Link Loki for the 10th person for scouting as well.

The thing that most guys recommending Falcons, Logistics etc. fail to recognise is that most gang (vs gang) PvP is actually consensual, barring the ganks here and there. Therefore, it is important that your gang looks as unthreatening as possible. With the above setup, they should only be able to see 6 ships until the fight starts (Recons & Loki cloak up til then) so alot of gangs will go for them, whilst this setup has the capability to deal with much, much larger gangs since each ship type is there for a specific purpose.

Sounds pretty solid to me.

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Chiyeung Bonaparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-09-13 04:34:07 UTC
10 x Taranis. Omwawd unstoppable
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#16 - 2011-09-13 05:35:37 UTC
10x blaster falcons with full tackle.Lol

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-09-13 07:44:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I should point out that the Carrier or Jump Freighter in question is a non-combatant and will at no time assign fighters to any of the Rifters, and in fact he doesn't even have the Fighters skill trained because he is a stupid butt who does not know how to push buttons in this video game. Moreover it is important to recognize the significance of the Leadership V skill on at least one of the Rifter pilots, since there is a position in the fleet hierarchy called 'Squad Commander' which allows all subordinate Rifters to receive minor bonuses to agility and other useful attributes essential for long-term health and happiness of Rifter-class frigates. Ideally one or more RIfters will fit a Cynosural Field Generator, so that in the event of major losses or relocation of the fleet it is possible to quickly and efficiently move the Carrier or Jump Freighter into position to deposit more Rifters onto the battlefield or staging site.

Perhaps the best possible thing you could do is light your Cyno right on top of the enemy gang while assuring your buddy that you're actually lighting it on a station and that he has nothing to worry about; this would lead to your enemy not targeting the Rifters, which comprise the backbone of your fleet doctrine, and instead they will focus on that useless capital ship and then crow about their Kill/Death Ratio or ISK War whatever while completely failing to notice that your eight surviving Rifters were able to kill at least two of their ships while they were busy shooting that useless space brick.


Im going to go ahead and award you 100 internets for that one! It is how eVe should be played by everyone, now theres a warm n fuzzy thought Roll. Ever thought of releasing a "The book of Lyris Narirn"?

As for my contribution.... 10 Bhaalgorn's .... that is all. Admitadly it would take about.... 30 sec? 40 sec? before everyone in the region knows about it, and a bit over that before every FC is screaming for a cyno. But BEFORE the real entertainment starts, it would be the best 10 man gang.

No Worries
Bono McGee
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-09-13 10:12:02 UTC
1 prober / heavy tank tackle scout t3
1 sabre
7 vaga
1 falcon

Boosh


or 1 cyno rifter and 9 nyx

for cheap
3 arbi
7 nano shild ruppies

for lolz
10 nano shiled neutron Hypes
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-09-13 15:41:34 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I should point out that the Carrier or Jump Freighter in question is a non-combatant and will at no time assign fighters to any of the Rifters, and in fact he doesn't even have the Fighters skill trained because he is a stupid butt who does not know how to push buttons in this video game. Moreover it is important to recognize the significance of the Leadership V skill on at least one of the Rifter pilots, since there is a position in the fleet hierarchy called 'Squad Commander' which allows all subordinate Rifters to receive minor bonuses to agility and other useful attributes essential for long-term health and happiness of Rifter-class frigates. Ideally one or more RIfters will fit a Cynosural Field Generator, so that in the event of major losses or relocation of the fleet it is possible to quickly and efficiently move the Carrier or Jump Freighter into position to deposit more Rifters onto the battlefield or staging site.

Perhaps the best possible thing you could do is light your Cyno right on top of the enemy gang while assuring your buddy that you're actually lighting it on a station and that he has nothing to worry about; this would lead to your enemy not targeting the Rifters, which comprise the backbone of your fleet doctrine, and instead they will focus on that useless capital ship and then crow about their Kill/Death Ratio or ISK War whatever while completely failing to notice that your eight surviving Rifters were able to kill at least two of their ships while they were busy shooting that useless space brick.


Im going to go ahead and award you 100 internets for that one! It is how eVe should be played by everyone, now theres a warm n fuzzy thought Roll. Ever thought of releasing a "The book of Lyris Narirn"?

Hello friend and thank you for noticing my excellent and informative post which I made on the forums dot EVE online dot com message board in which I detailed the use of a small fleet of Rifters to bring comedy entertainment and fun to everyone involved most especially the persons doing the shooting but also those being shot by the Rifters that are doing the shooting it is my sincere hope that you will learn a valuable thing or two from my post and be able to go forth like a space disciple of the Book of Lyris of Latter Day Nairn and tell all of your friends behold my brethren I have been to the mountaintop and I have seen the promised land I have a dream that one day my space guild and my space friends will be judged not by the content of our wallets and the scarcity of our moon materials but by the quantity of our Rifters and so He set him forth unto the people and unto the people he journeyed as a nomad and vagabond preaching the insane ramblings of the Lord whoso set him forth but beware my friend for the path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men but blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and you will know my name is Sky Captain Lyris Nairn in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot com when I lay my vengeance upon thee and deliver an unprecedented headshot against the Dread Pirate Morgan Stanley Dean Witter Spiced Rum.

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#20 - 2011-09-13 18:02:43 UTC
x1 widow Full ECM support.
x1 Vulture. full shield gang link support
x2 Rokh Full blaster shield Buffer/with tackle
x1 Curse Full Neut Support/tackle.
x1 Ibis with Cynofield Generator
x2 Chimera Both Triage.
x1 Wyvern
x1 Leviathen with pretty doomsday.

cheap fit

x10 Battle Badgers for the lols. of it.
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