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Am I a serviceable PvP'er?

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Gordin Brott
Huvilma Sentinels
GunFam
#21 - 2014-08-13 21:47:50 UTC
Farsiris Arbosa wrote:


Tell me, in all bluntness and honesty, if I look like a serviceable PvP'er to you.



Do you shoot other players?

Do they occasionally blow up when you shoot at them?

Does this make you want to shoot at more players?

If you can answer 'yes', then congratulations.
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#22 - 2014-08-13 23:32:38 UTC
Hard truths aren't the only truths you know. You aren't really looking for honesty, you're looking for someone to reinforce what you think already.
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#23 - 2014-08-14 16:22:12 UTC
Yes you're terrible, but it's not for the reasons you think it is.

From your view point it's because you have no skill and people are just beating you because you are somehow "worse" than them. In reality, it's just because you are too busy being vain and asking if you're terrible at this game instead of putting that time into innovating and finding your own niche.

The problem is that you are trying to throw cookie-cutter brawling rifters and thrashers at other players and as a result are losing before the fight even starts. In the current pvp meta, brawling is pretty terrible, even worse if you are low SP. You've also chosen the worst race for what you are trying to do. T1 minmatar AC ships are outclassed by every other race. These factors combined mean that you will have a very low success rate.

Brawling is not ideal for FW solo. The majority of ships you come across who are also solo are kiters. These hardcounter you. Unless they accidentally press approach on you it's impossible for you to win. Brawling also means you can't fight multiple people unless they're stupid, dumb, or you are in a special ship (thrasher is not one of them). I suggest you look up an arty thrasher fit and use that.

I suggest something along the lines of this:

[Thrasher, Arty]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

280mm Prototype Siege Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Prototype Siege Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Prototype Siege Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Prototype Siege Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
[empty high slot]
280mm Prototype Siege Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Prototype Siege Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Prototype Siege Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S

Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX

Hera Dionidas
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-08-14 17:38:11 UTC
I would suggest you start recording your fights using Fraps or something similar. Then you make a new post, asking specifically what you do wrong and how to avoid it in the future. A killboard doesn't say much in terms of your skill during actual fights. Also private convo God's Apples for more fits. He loves when people private convos him. Often. Preferably 10-20 times a day.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#25 - 2014-08-14 23:55:14 UTC
if you want a good laugh at my expense, follow the link in my sig and go back about two months
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-08-15 11:23:33 UTC
Farsiris Arbosa wrote:
https://zkillboard.com/character/94178346/

Tell me, in all bluntness and honesty, if I look like a serviceable PvP'er to you.

As a little background:

About 90% of my encounters have been solo, and my first 5 or so months were actually spent doing that exclusively. I have had over 100 solo encounters, although in spite of this I've only had one solo kill, ever. For two months after that I was an explorer, and then went back to solo PvP again.

I have been in a few corps, not many.

I have been playing for a total of 9 months now.

Do I look like a decent PvP'er for my age?

Be brutally honest. If I'm great, say so. If I'm honestly the worst player you've ever laid eyes upon then say that. I'm not looking for comments to stroke my e-peen to.

Go.


Depend on the parameters and onwhat you were trying to achieve. If you were a high sec mercenary you would be horrible (sorry but anythign under 85% efficiency is on THAT environment).

But if you live in wormhole space you would be averagish (its harder to not lose ships there).



You should get alogn with peopel to fly with you. No No need of a blob, butyou will learn 10 times faster with 2 or 2 wingmans.

And seesm you must stop being sttuborn with those arti hurricanes, they do not seem to work for you.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-08-15 11:25:01 UTC
Gordin Brott wrote:
Farsiris Arbosa wrote:


Tell me, in all bluntness and honesty, if I look like a serviceable PvP'er to you.



Do you shoot other players?

Do they occasionally blow up when you shoot at them?

Does this make you want to shoot at more players?

If you can answer 'yes', then congratulations.



That makes him a PVPEr.. serviceable implies that the second question happens rather often :P

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Verlyn
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#28 - 2014-08-16 18:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Verlyn
At OP,

If you're looking for a corp that supports Eve's PvP soloists, then look no further than my corp.

We are based in Gallente FW space, we hunt all targets and have fun, together or by ourselves, whichever way you feel like.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366531&find=unread
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#29 - 2014-08-17 19:46:30 UTC
Farsiris Arbosa wrote:
I'm getting a few honest answers now. Thank you.

I hate it when people pull the "You have perserverence! Try your best and you're wonderful!" routine on me. If I'm a dumb piece of crap you have every right to say so.

I was fairly certain I was a terrible pilot but I decided to get a second opinion just in case by some miracle I was crazy and was actually passable. But judging by the responses I was right.

Thank you for the input.



Have you tried ganking miners? I see serious potential in you there.

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Niiro Kallstrom
Alternative Management Solutions
#30 - 2014-08-17 23:58:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Niiro Kallstrom
Bloody hell.....


You're like one of those girls who ask if they're ugly and then proceed to stonewall any response to the contrary. If this post is any indication of your RL mentality, you must be a pleasure to be around What?
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#31 - 2014-08-18 01:06:38 UTC
Killboard stats mean virtually nothing. While a good killboard could mean they are good it could also mean they fly in fleets with other good players and only take fights they know they can win.

And personally its the fights that you shouldnt win but do anyway are the ones that matter.
Darth Kasbian
Brutal Deliverance
#32 - 2014-08-18 13:24:40 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
Killboard stats mean virtually nothing. While a good killboard could mean they are good it could also mean they fly in fleets with other good players and only take fights they know they can win.

And personally its the fights that you shouldnt win but do anyway are the ones that matter.



Agree with the above… Punching above your weight is often a dumb move but if you win the feeling is awesome and what pvp should be all about, not the easy kills that mean nothing.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2014-08-18 16:16:04 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:
Killboard stats mean virtually nothing. While a good killboard could mean they are good it could also mean they fly in fleets with other good players and only take fights they know they can win.

And personally its the fights that you shouldnt win but do anyway are the ones that matter.



But avoiding the fights that you have ZERO chance of winning is also part of being a good pvper.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#34 - 2014-08-21 08:17:14 UTC
I second the suggestion that you fraps your pvp encounters. Beside all the 'replay and learn what you did wrong', which is definitely true, but I'd also like to add that from my experience frapsed videos can bring a whole new perspective and experience to the overall game play.

I started out solo - like you and many others, shitfit ships + low sp + bad piloting skills, etc.

I lost a lot of ships doing this, and eventually and inevitably I started to get better at it.

Then occasionally I started to get some cool kills and very close fights where I lost but it was such a rush.

So I thought to myself - I'm going to fraps my fights for the memories.

Then I started to fraps all my solo fights, reviewing my mistake and patting my own back for good wins.

After I had some collection I figured I would share my videos with friends so I selected the best fights (win or lose or just plain lol) and made a compilation video on youtube.

Those videos started getting some views, and suddenly my audience wasn't just my friends anymore but also random citizens of eve out there whom I've never flown with before. I was getting feedbacks through youtube comments and evemails, and it was all entertaining.

Then I started to get more ambitious - for the audience.

I started to put together unusual/experimental fits, taking on multiple targets (to make myself look leet on video), going for the glory and all that.

This, although it was all for my vanity, had a very positive impact on my game play. I didn't just want to find targets I can kill with as little risk as possible. I was actively looking for fights that would be challenging and interesting - you know, for the show.

All in all, I cross trained to all the sub-caps in the game, partly because I genuinely enjoy trying out new ships and I'm a gear ****, but also at least in part because I wanted to fly a new ship and a new fit for my next video.

I made about 7 or 8 videos like this. It was very entertaining and I improved a lot during the process.

These days I don't make videos anymore because of various reasons, and I will probably never post them on public places like youtube again, because I learned that keeping low-profile and getting on with life quietly in my corner of space in New Eden serves the interest of my corp best.

To cut it short - if you are frapsing and sharing videos with audience, it's kind of like image training that sportsmen do before a match. Footballers imagine themselves scoring a nice goal and celebrating - and this image in your head will psyche you up for the real match.

Even if you don't share your videos, think about the scenario of the fight as if you were a movie director. How would I start the engagement? What trick can I pull off to win against the odds? What can I do to give my story a little twist to make it interesting? And most importantly, it makes you think about "how can the fight be more fun?"

If you are constantly asking these questions, and enter fights with this mentality, you will be on your way to success. It won't improve your kill/death ratio, but having good/fun fights (win or lose) is what will earn you respect from your friends and foes alike in this game.
Johnny Jinks
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-08-21 19:07:02 UTC
yes. you suck.
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