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So ... Will the Incursion Changes Buff Hisec

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-08-21 14:32:33 UTC
You incursion runners are so entirely clueless about anything that isnt incursions (and is a lot of cases, incursions too) that it's actually mind boggling.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-08-21 14:41:34 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Tajic Kaundur wrote:
Robart Baboli wrote:
-things-


you realize an incursion runner can run literally hundreds of sites in a day while even me, living in a c6, will run probably 30 sites a week at absolute most, right

there are not infinite sites in a wormhole

You mean 96 sites a day in 24 hours of 15 minutes per site, no bio breaks no stopping to eat and only if 40 other people are willing to run continuously. Exaggerating everything is never a good idea.


Edit; Oops 94 total sites forgot about the 30 minute mandatory down time.


You can do so much more if you manage to run 5 fleet of 39 to cover all spawn while your toon bunny hop from one fleet to the other just to cash in the payout. RollRollRollRollRollRollRollRoll
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2014-08-21 15:48:44 UTC
So do the Sansha pay CONCORD off so that they are free to snatch civilians off planets?

It would be better if all CONCORD actions were prevented during incursions, then CCP could triple the payouts for all i care. Right now, the risk vs. reward is shockingly unbalanced.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#44 - 2014-08-21 15:53:32 UTC
It's amazing how virtually every incursion thread here is flooded by incessant whining from the nullsec and WH folks about isk/hour and risk/reward delusions. If highsec incursions are really such a cut above everything else, then drop what you are doing and come run them. Somehow, despite incursions apparently being the easiest and quickest isk/hour in Eve, fleets are often operating at below optimal numbers, if at all.

Instead, what I think is actually going on here, is that that the nullsec folks who spend 80% of their day engaging in mind-numbing afk ratting in a carrier in sov null, and the wormhole folks who spend all day farming sites in C4-C6 holes somehow feel entitled to financial prosperity, and spam the forums in an attempt to shut down and kind of enjoyable and rewarding activities in highsec, so that everyone needs to join them in the current boredom of nullsec and wormholes. How about doing what you enjoy, and not spending all of your time trying to nerf things that other people enjoy?
Robart Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
#45 - 2014-08-21 15:58:02 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Tajic Kaundur wrote:
Robart Baboli wrote:
-things-


you realize an incursion runner can run literally hundreds of sites in a day while even me, living in a c6, will run probably 30 sites a week at absolute most, right

there are not infinite sites in a wormhole

You mean 96 sites a day in 24 hours of 15 minutes per site, no bio breaks no stopping to eat and only if 40 other people are willing to run continuously. Exaggerating everything is never a good idea.


Edit; Oops 94 total sites forgot about the 30 minute mandatory down time.


You can do so much more if you manage to run 5 fleet of 39 to cover all spawn while your toon bunny hop from one fleet to the other just to cash in the payout. RollRollRollRollRollRollRollRoll


right. and which community will let you do this? or actually, which ones, since no community has fielded more than two fleets for an extended period as far as i know. you also have those PI farms, which i'm not sure on the profit on, and so won't speculate as to a level of income, and they aren't entirely passive, as setting them up is a *****, as would be exporting the produce, given the logistics, and you have to keep them updated. but all of that, once you have them set up, can be done from a POS, until it's time to go collect it all, and sell it.

will the change affect high-sec in general? no. will it affect incursions? yes. it makes it quicker for incursions to respawn. it does nothing to affect the isk per hour in spawned incursions. it does not raise the cap of total incursions. in all honesty, no additional people will be able to farm or run incursions because of this. most of the time, we are careful with our timers as it is, and so there are one-two incursions up. sometimes it happens that there aren't incursions. but by and large, the communities manage it better than that.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#46 - 2014-08-21 17:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Veers Belvar wrote:
It's amazing how virtually every incursion thread here is flooded by incessant whining from the nullsec and WH folks about isk/hour and risk/reward delusions. If highsec incursions are really such a cut above everything else, then drop what you are doing and come run them. Somehow, despite incursions apparently being the easiest and quickest isk/hour in Eve, fleets are often operating at below optimal numbers, if at all.


This is a lie, the 3 communities i've flown with recently (TVP, Warp to me and ISN) either had formal wait lists going or had you sit there waticng chat like a hawk for a line to pop up so you could get in fleet.

And lol and the dumb "if it's so good come and do it". If it's so good that everyone is better off dropping what they are doing to come do it, that should tell you something.

Quote:

Instead, what I think is actually going on here, is that that the nullsec folks who spend 80% of their day engaging in mind-numbing afk ratting in a carrier in sov null, and the wormhole folks who spend all day farming sites in C4-C6 holes somehow feel entitled to financial prosperity, and spam the forums in an attempt to shut down and kind of enjoyable and rewarding activities in highsec, so that everyone needs to join them in the current boredom of nullsec and wormholes. How about doing what you enjoy, and not spending all of your time trying to nerf things that other people enjoy?


And another lie (or plain ignorance). Null sec people (exception, renters who don't know better) aren't spending 80% of their day doin mind numbing null sec/WH stuff. They are spending that time in High Sec incursion community chats waiting for a LINE so they can X up .

OR they are farming the hell out of missions (it's not just incursions that are a problem). Who needs Null sec pve or even NPC LP stores when you can go to a area such as this one that has no less than 10 lvl 4 agents within 5 jumps of it?

You know what i do? I roll those agents till I get a nice 'farm' set up . At one point I had 3 instances of Angel Extravaganza within 2 jumps of Lustrevik that I farmed for 6 days. Who the F needs a Sanctum when you can just do this over and over every day in total safety and for better isk?

And that's the point, High Sec space makes the rest of EVE PVE 'optional', but only if you like pain....
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#47 - 2014-08-21 17:20:13 UTC
I hate to have to admit this, but Dinsdale was right.

CCP has finally nerfed hisec.

No more will poverty run rampant in hisec; never again shall a down on his luck PVEer be left with nothing to do.

All of the sadness has been nerfed from hisec.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-08-21 18:06:59 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
So do the Sansha pay CONCORD off so that they are free to snatch civilians off planets?

It would be better if all CONCORD actions were prevented during incursions, then CCP could triple the payouts for all i care. Right now, the risk vs. reward is shockingly unbalanced.


Lorewise, CONCORD is asking capsulers to help them stop the invasion so they can still keep force to maintain the usual security level in the system. The capsulers are literally making sure CONCORD don't get overworked dealing with Sansha so they can keep the regular law enforcement up and running.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#49 - 2014-08-21 18:40:34 UTC

"This is a lie, the 3 communities i've flown with recently (TVP, Warp to me and ISN) either had formal wait lists going or had you sit there waticng chat like a hawk for a line to pop up so you could get in fleet."


During peak contest timezones they are waitlists, during quiet times these fleets shut down or operate below capacity. There is hardly a rush of Eve players from all other professions to incursion running.



"And lol and the dumb "if it's so good come and do it". If it's so good that everyone is better off dropping what they are doing to come do it, that should tell you something."


Yes, if 80% of people in Eve were suddenly running incursions, then I would be concerned....since it's a tiny minority it seems that the facts cut against your line of reasoning.



"And another lie (or plain ignorance). Null sec people (exception, renters who don't know better) aren't spending 80% of their day doin mind numbing null sec/WH stuff. They are spending that time in High Sec incursion community chats waiting for a LINE so they can X up ."


Oh really? So when we see 30,000 players on the server and 300 running incursions (1% of the total!), in your mind that shows everyone abandoning all other parts of Eve to come run incursions. Fascinating!


"OR they are farming the hell out of missions (it's not just incursions that are a problem). Who needs Null sec pve or even NPC LP stores when you can go to a area such as this one that has no less than 10 lvl 4 agents within 5 jumps of it?

You know what i do? I roll those agents till I get a nice 'farm' set up . At one point I had 3 instances of Angel Extravaganza within 2 jumps of Lustrevik that I farmed for 6 days. Who the F needs a Sanctum when you can just do this over and over every day in total safety and for better isk?"


People run missions for content, lame as it may seem....they don't see anything else exciting to do in Eve. You can definitely make more isk afk ratting in a carrier in deep goon sov than you can running missions.


"And that's the point, High Sec space makes the rest of EVE PVE 'optional', but only if you like pain..."


And yet the majority of the player base still goes to low/null. Maybe if you share your insights with them we can just shut down the CFC and N3/PL and everyone can come back to make it rich in Empire.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#50 - 2014-08-21 18:49:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2014-08-22 03:20:03 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
You can definitely make more isk afk ratting in a carrier in deep goon sov than you can running missions.

AFK ratting in a carrier? Okay dude...

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#52 - 2014-08-22 03:45:07 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
You can definitely make more isk afk ratting in a carrier in deep goon sov than you can running missions.

AFK ratting in a carrier? Okay dude...

It's not even worth arguing dude, they will just have all the valid argument points you make removed. Roll

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#53 - 2014-08-22 03:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Tennej wrote:
Scout sites 3.5 mil.......?

Or is it all to do about nothing?



Discuss


Scout no

Assault yes

Buff not really

Both vg and ass are steping stone to hq where the isk and lp is.

Additionaly with 50% of doable sites I think assault system will be small for 2 fleets, but doable at least.

Also to disprove 24/7 waitlist argument...lol

It is a lie most communities have their prime time and single hq fleet,after that I usualy log in to see an fc scrambling for hour's to get a vg fleet rolling.

So theres that.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-08-22 09:55:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend.


Dis.
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