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xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2011-12-09 16:41:46 UTC
On balance PVE should be about having fun with a group of friends or a group of people who you have never met before....

Most PVE sites can be completed individually - No (to my knowledge) incursion sites can be completed AFK..
Beaches
Doomheim
#142 - 2011-12-09 16:48:56 UTC
No, they're a terrific ISK faucet, for instance with the 60 day free trial after upgrade (90 days 15$ or 1 PLEX) you can make a tengu alt, post fake faction fittings in BTL Pub and make hundreds of million of ISK with no risk. The 99% finally get satisfaction.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#143 - 2011-12-09 16:55:13 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
On balance PVE should be about having fun with a group of friends or a group of people who you have never met before....




It seems ccp agrees and is changing eve from a sandbox to a railroad to force everyone to play it that way.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Beaches
Doomheim
#144 - 2011-12-09 17:08:29 UTC
Oh I just realized, CCP created this huge massive ISK faucet with the assumption that everyone would use their new found ill-gotten gains on the NEX store.

So this this huge faucet would run into their wondrous huge ISK sink. Hahahaha CCP's expectations for NEX will always be so funny Lol
Othar en'gilliath
Hosse en'gilliath
#145 - 2011-12-09 17:18:49 UTC
High sec incursions are making a lot of money why?

Well as said here people MILK the sites till the mother ship starts to withdraw then they pop it

CCP to FIX this reduce/or remove the sites when the mother ship is sighted make it more like a dynamic BATTLE then farming
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2011-12-09 18:56:41 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
a+b. why put lucrative area's in null sec when most of the people who sign in into the game are based in high sec...other than to hope people move into null sec?

Because we want to incentivize people to move to nullsec? And nullsec just so happens to be more risk than hisec?

It's like I haven't been nagging on and on about how I want CCP to incentivize people to move to nullsec.
xxanjoahir wrote:
c. Have you heard of those people who do the same in incursions sites?

Do they lose their ship after each gank?

xxanjoahir wrote:
Null sec should be about eco systems, territories, defence, offence, treaties in reality people move to null sec is becuase they want chest beating PVP which they want on their door step, Industry these days well is non existant becuase you can 23/7 bot mine in empire

So, how would you pull this off then? Remember, you can't do anything with hisec, so what do you do to make nullsec empires do all these things?

As to "people move to null sec because they want chest beating PVP", way to go brushing people with a huge brush, old buddy old pal.

xxanjoahir wrote:
- like you said null sec is empty there are no fleets wanting to travel for long periods of time most fights are occuring in systems for a reason. Looking at todays most violent system is NY5 which i guess is becuase of the level 5 agents around that area...M-O tribute entry point...

M-O is the entry point to tribute as you said, which means ... it's camped to **** and back, and most of those kills are most likely dumb pubbies jumping through without getting proper intel. null/low is dangerous, people are dumb, who knew.

Also, 52 ships killed the last 24 hours. I wouldn't call that all that high for an entrance system.

As for N5Y? A whole 62 ships killed. I assume there's some sort of point to pointing out this system?

xxanjoahir wrote:
Lastly remove the "I win" button.... Null sec was awesome in the days of IAC plenty of targets willing to fight now all i hear is "leave it they will hot drop us"...

What is this "I win" button?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#147 - 2011-12-09 19:00:12 UTC
anjoahir is just recalling back to the days of the AoE DD, before an 'iwin' button was put in by CCP
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#148 - 2011-12-09 19:36:23 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Everseeker wrote:
I love the fact that a good number of the players advocating a complete removal of hisec incursions are members of lowsec/nullsec alliances...

Whoever is advocating the complete removal of hisec incursions are pretty dumb, seeing as incursions are one of the best ways to get people to work together as a team, with a proper fleet composition, an FC, logis, etc. I'd go so far as to call incursions a stepping stone/learning stage for future PVP, and removing that kind of mechanism is dumb as rocks.


ROFL the only people who do incursions are long time bears that are too afraid to lose there precious ships.

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2011-12-09 20:19:50 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
Even when incursions occur in null sec or low sec no one goes.... NO ONE.... Not even the sov holding alliance goes to complete them...AND you complain about having no ways of making ISK depsite a site being on your door step?


This 100%

No one is stopping anyone from doing losec/nullsec incursions. If they were a hisec-only feature I'd understand but that's not true.

The issue the complainers have obviously isn't that hisec is more profitable; it's not. It's that killing carebears isn't as profitable as being one.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#150 - 2011-12-09 20:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Even when incursions occur in null sec or low sec no one goes.... NO ONE.... Not even the sov holding alliance goes to complete them...AND you complain about having no ways of making ISK depsite a site being on your door step?


This 100%

No one is stopping anyone from doing losec/nullsec incursions. If they were a hisec-only feature I'd understand but that's not true.

Why do an incursion where your bear fleet can get hotdropped when you can just move the fleet to a CONCORD-protected and more readily available incursion in hisec? I mean like what's the point man?
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2011-12-09 20:45:27 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
nullsec is, on a day to day basis, empty compared to how it should be...

[. . .]

In lowsec or in nullsec, losing your ship is not only commonplace, it's to be expected. Whether you rat, mine, haul or PVP, chances are you'll lose your ship every time you undock.


Is nullsec empty or do you lose your ship often? Which is it? Can't be both empty and high risk.

Quote:
Bottom line is, you don't need to always replenish your wallet regularly just to be able to play


More proof that this obviously has nothing to do with hisec vs. nullsec. It's about what you've chosen to do in-game doesn't get you as much net profit as what someone else chose to do in-game. That sucks. HTFU, as the l337 anti-bears like to say, and stop losing so many ships, or run some of the nullsec incursions that go untouched.
Nahrud Zirud
Doomheim
#152 - 2011-12-09 20:46:07 UTC
non judgement wrote:
If they are going to remove them a good alternative would be to just cut them back if they kept them on in a few different constellations. Maybe just low sec areas? At least some of the highsec incursion people would keep doing the lowsec ones if the highsec ones stopped. Do they want more people in lowsec? That might be a good way to do it.

I find it hard to believe that they'd just remove something like that without some sort of viable replacement. Maybe another priate faction will do the same thing with just a little twist. So the people doing them don't suddenly feel like they were left with nothing.




Really? if anything they need to increase the areas they are in like 3 or 4 to every section. 1 it will reduce crowding. 2 it will make fleets harder to make. i.e more mother ships will go un killed so less lp to go around.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2011-12-09 20:51:44 UTC
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Even when incursions occur in null sec or low sec no one goes.... NO ONE.... Not even the sov holding alliance goes to complete them...AND you complain about having no ways of making ISK depsite a site being on your door step?


This 100%

No one is stopping anyone from doing losec/nullsec incursions. If they were a hisec-only feature I'd understand but that's not true.

Yeah, no:
Lord Zim wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Even when incursions occur in null sec or low sec no one goes.... NO ONE.... Not even the sov holding alliance goes to complete them...AND you complain about having no ways of making ISK depsite a site being on your door step?

Last few times we've had incursions in our space, we have gone and dealt with it because it disrupts JBs. vOv


Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
The issue the complainers have obviously isn't that hisec is more profitable; it's not. It's that killing carebears isn't as profitable as being one.

Some of our guys are up billions because they've killed/scammed so many ice miners. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2011-12-09 20:53:42 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

Why do an incursion where your bear fleet can get hotdropped when you can just move the fleet to a CONCORD-protected and more readily available incursion in hisec? I mean like what's the point man?


Which proves the hotdropping "PvP'ers" don't really want PvP like they claim as much as they just want to stomp some bears.

But wait, where's the hotdrop coming from? I thought nullsec was empty...

If all there is in nullsec are hotdrops then the problem obviously isn't hisec incursions. Plus, nothing is stopping the hotdrop fleet from getting in different ships and doing some nullsec incursions of their own, making more money than the hisec bears.
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#155 - 2011-12-09 20:57:07 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

Some of our guys are up billions because they've killed/scammed so many ice miners. vOv


Oh ok, it sounds like profitable PvP is alive and well. Why exactly are you complaining about the isk in hisec again? ... Roll
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2011-12-09 20:59:38 UTC
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
Plus, nothing is stopping the hotdrop fleet from getting in different ships and doing some nullsec incursions of their own, making more money than the hisec bears.

Why bother risking their bear fleet getting hotdropped in turn when they can run incursions in CONCORD-protected territory instead?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#157 - 2011-12-09 21:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Even when incursions occur in null sec or low sec no one goes.... NO ONE.... Not even the sov holding alliance goes to complete them...AND you complain about having no ways of making ISK depsite a site being on your door step?


This 100%

No one is stopping anyone from doing losec/nullsec incursions. If they were a hisec-only feature I'd understand but that's not true.

Why do an incursion where your bear fleet can get hotdropped when you can just move the fleet to a CONCORD-protected and more readily available incursion in hisec? I mean like what's the point man?



how're you gonna get hotdropped in an incursion system?

or did they remove the cynojammers from incursions now?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2011-12-09 21:02:51 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Even when incursions occur in null sec or low sec no one goes.... NO ONE.... Not even the sov holding alliance goes to complete them...AND you complain about having no ways of making ISK depsite a site being on your door step?


This 100%

No one is stopping anyone from doing losec/nullsec incursions. If they were a hisec-only feature I'd understand but that's not true.

Why do an incursion where your bear fleet can get hotdropped when you can just move the fleet to a CONCORD-protected and more readily available incursion in hisec? I mean like what's the point man?

The 40% better payouts and lower number of competing fleets? Though, if risks like hotdrops didn't exists there would be no reason for low/null payouts to be higher than hisec.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2011-12-09 21:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
Is nullsec empty or do you lose your ship often? Which is it? Can't be both empty and high risk.

Both.

It's empty if you just go roaming around. You lose ships if you go kick over some structure so people actually have something to defend.

This isn't rocket science.

Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
More proof that this obviously has nothing to do with hisec vs. nullsec. It's about what you've chosen to do in-game doesn't get you as much net profit as what someone else chose to do in-game. That sucks. HTFU, as the l337 anti-bears like to say, and stop losing so many ships, or run some of the nullsec incursions that go untouched.

I get more profit by doing market fuckery in Jita, than I ever would by futzing about with incursions, especially because I can't stand the wowesque shorthand speak they vomit forth in incursion channels. What I do, though, doesn't help inflate ISK, though.

And heh, "stop losing so many ships". It's like you think I lose a lot of ships during fights. I lose ships, yes, but I don't lose a fucktonne of them, and the ships I do lose, I've replaced handily through my hisec activities. Doesn't change the fact that I get a better return for my time investment in hisec than I would ever get in nullsec, and that this is gayer than gay tony on ice.

Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
Oh ok, it sounds like profitable PvP is alive and well. Why exactly are you complaining about the isk in hisec again? ... Roll

This is in hisec, and it's partially because of our reimbursement scheme which basically took over for insurance, and partially because hisec ice miners are so dumb they'll actually pay protection money. Stupid is unnerfable.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2011-12-09 21:08:48 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
Plus, nothing is stopping the hotdrop fleet from getting in different ships and doing some nullsec incursions of their own, making more money than the hisec bears.

Why bother risking their bear fleet getting hotdropped in turn when they can run incursions in CONCORD-protected territory instead?


So one playstyle is more profitable than another, interesting. Welcome to the sandbox.