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Is it time to resurrect the Equilibrium of Mankind?

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Apo Lamperouge
#1 - 2014-08-16 21:16:40 UTC
Hello fellow capsuleers

I have been ruminating over the EoM for some time. Their whole backstory is interesting and it would be nice to see them brought into their own.

What I had an idea for is this;

An Incursion/Faction Warfare combination. There are capsuleers out there who think that the EoM would be an interesting faction to play, plus the whole Sansha Incursion is getting a little old.

Sansha have the supercarrier class Revenant, but EoM have "at least one Avatar class titan"

see [url=https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Equilibrium_of_Mankind_(lore) ]

A faction titan? Wow that will mess up someone's day. Even ISN would have to change their underwear on that. PL and gewns might even do some carebearing for a chance at a faction titan bpc...
But I digress
What I'm getting at is this...

what underused faction is looking for sov? EoM. Have them as a joinable faction and they do null sec incursions for sov
Not only do you have to defend your sov against enemies, you have to defend against npcs and the capsuleers who join them

Unfortunately EoM are shield tanked with railguns on Amarr ships and not very good, but say they get an injection of tech from a "salvaged Jovian ship" or something like that... now we are talking.

Unique frigates, cruisers and battleships. The faction Avavtar class titan, only available in null sec incursions when you reclaim sov from EoM... and in a deadspace pocket so no capitals allowed

And a new class of ships; with similar reworkings to SoE and Guristas ships... the faction t3 strategic cruiser.

New unknown Jovian based tech, to a fully customizable strategic cruiser; not limited to faction weapon based systems, but similar bonus profile to the Gnosis. Also able to refit to a cloaky nullified logi... with tech stolen from SoE.

The Incursion minigame has potential, faction warfare has an evolving presence in the eve universe. Why not combine them? I'm sure that if asked, many capsuleers would join EoM just for a new experience. If they have a directive...conquer sov in XXX nullsec region... you may see huge live event traction. I for one love the live events, even though its difficult to get in on them. I unwittingly participated in the Sansha live event and had no idea what was going on until I was blown up by a group of named Sansha on a gate.

Anyway thanks for reading.

Apo

Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.

Apo Lamperouge
#2 - 2014-08-16 21:47:08 UTC
I have also noticed that there may be some bad feelings right now about that last live event thing that went through gewnspace.

Now I know why noone is commenting.

Certainly this would take quite a bit of time to plan, and would require more than just one or two people from CCP getting together over beers at the local pub :)

If anyone has any comments, suggestions whatever go ahead.

Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#3 - 2014-08-17 02:05:56 UTC
*points to F&I*
Your idea doesn't seem very related to lore and more to new shiny in game toys. So F&I would be the right place for it.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-08-17 20:49:44 UTC
Give me a EoM Apocalypse and I'll do anything for you...
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#5 - 2014-08-17 21:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
Since this falls under the section of new ship design the doctrine applies that no new ships will be created unless they fit a specific role wanted/needed which is currently unfulfilled or is occupied inadequately.

Just because of 'cool skin' or 'faction love' or 'me wantz' and so forth, this won't happen.

That said I want more Khanid ships Blink

As for Incursion style .. I would implement all factions anyway if it would be up to me ...
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#6 - 2014-08-17 21:11:22 UTC
I'd love to see EoM usurp Kuvakei and take over as the incursion faction the way it was originally planned.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-08-18 18:31:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Give me a EoM Apocalypse and I'll do anything for you...


Shield-Hybrid pirate apocs...

Hehe. Hehe. Hahaha. Hahahaha hahaha. Yes. Shut up and take my isk.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2014-08-18 18:38:17 UTC
You are looking at the next pirate faction. Caldari-Minmatar ftw.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Apo Lamperouge
#9 - 2014-08-20 10:50:42 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Since this falls under the section of new ship design the doctrine applies that no new ships will be created unless they fit a specific role wanted/needed which is currently unfulfilled or is occupied inadequately.

Just because of 'cool skin' or 'faction love' or 'me wantz' and so forth, this won't happen.

That said I want more Khanid ships Blink

As for Incursion style .. I would implement all factions anyway if it would be up to me ...



Yes and no, I was thinking both in terms of new game lore and ship design. Personally, I think T3's have become stagnant, and it would be lore based to give them a new feature. You would think by now that technology in the universe has managed to grow. Sure I was nerd-bonering over a new titan, ok you got me there. I still think that by now, the weapons research nerds should have found new ground in sleeper tech.

The back story of EoM is dying to move forward. This could be a really good thing for the rp'ers and/or the Incursion community to work on. The Incursions are so full that sometimes it takes hours just to get into a fleet. With more options comes more content.

CURRENTLY "oh DIN or ISN popped the mom, no hi sec incursion for [well with new release] 12-36 hours.might as well ship spin"

WITH NEW EoM stuff " oh DIN or ISN popped the mom... sweet EoM incursion 12 jumps away. we can go there until sansha inc spawns" or new communities grow. "TVP and TDF are full but there's an EoM incursion (or whatever it is)

anyway... ISD/CCP comments?

Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#10 - 2014-08-20 12:14:36 UTC
I was with you until you started mixing it in with nullsec sov.

I'd have +1d you for the additional faction idea alone and for new pve content a further +1.

But mixing it with sov? -1 for sure.

Now, if it were to be like faction warfare and have nothing to do with nullsec sov but actually be an area of space which two NPC factions are fighting over (new space preferably), much like faction warfare, that people could join and fight for I would certainly get behind that idea but rolling it all into nullsec sov really isn't the answer.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#11 - 2014-08-20 12:22:25 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
I was with you until you started mixing it in with nullsec sov.

I'd have +1d you for the additional faction idea alone and for new pve content a further +1.

Don´t worry, you can still +1 it, sov will get destroyed anyway *fingers crossed*, so it won't influence it in the end. Big smile
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-08-20 12:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Spugg Galdon
Personally I've been thinking about the EoM for a long time and I may have even posted some stuff about my ideas for them in the past but I'll let my brain spunk into this thread right now seems as it's on topic:

EoM start to appear inside Sansha incursions. Just a single ship here and there. If destroyed you recieve a snippit of data from it hinting at a live even happening in the future and other data about the EoM plans.

After a while and enough data has been fed to the community the EoM show their hand. They do so during a Sansha live event incursion (remember the old ones when they raided a planet for people to become slaves). During the incursion, which will be in a high sec system, EoM appears and drops a cyno (EoM have aquired tech that allows them to use cyno's ANYWHERE). Sansha use artificial wormholes, EoM use unjammable cyno's. They then bridge in a fleet of carriers and dreads with a sub cap support fleet and engage everyone, including sansha ships, around the artificial wormhole. They also use an advanced science ship to stabalise the wormhole and approach it. They announce that they have came to take Sansha's wormhole tech and approach the wormhole. Sansha escalate by jumping their own dreads through the wormhole and epic combat ensues. Players can support who ever they want or just try to kill everyone. The Sansha wormhole will also become traversable so fighting can occur on both sides.

In the end, the EoM have shown their tech and it becomes apparant that they intend to try and re-open the EvE Gate with the Sansha Wormhole tech. They fail to get the tech from the battle but after the battle the EoM and Sansha call on support from capsuleers to join their cause as both sides declare open war on each other. EoM space and some previously unknown Sansha space (area of space currently not on the map) becomes accessable. This area of lowsec becomes the battleground for the EoM-Sansha pirate factional war (the first pirate faction war).

People who join the pirate FW militia's will be able to carry out normal FW activities for LP and discounted faction stuff from the LP stores. However, they will be aligning themselves to a pirate faction and will receive a permament -10 sec status whilst in the militia (or a permament criminal flag).

EoM also start carrying out their own incursions as they can move freely with their cyno tech. More incursions but a different flavour to Sansha

EoM ships would be active shield tanked snipers with long range warp scrams/disruptors. They would be slow but have excellent tanks and range. I would imagine EoM ships to look like this: link and be Amarr-Caldari based.

EoM and Sansha capital ships become available through LP stores.

So, if this feature was implemented you would get:
EoM incursions
Pirate factional warfare
New factional warfare space
New pirate hulls (EoM frigate, cruiser, battleship, carrier and dread. Sansha Dread)


Most of the above already exists so developement should be fairly easy:
The factional warfare and incursion mechanics already exist and would just need a change in "appearence"
"Actual" new content would only be some new ships and space, however, it would look like and feel like a massive expansion to the game!
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#13 - 2014-08-20 12:31:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Personally I've been thinking about the EoM for a long time and I may have even posted some stuff about my ideas for them in the past but I'll let my brain spunk into this thread right now seems as it's on topic:

EoM start to appear inside Sansha incursions. Just a single ship here and there. If destroyed you recieve a snippit of data from it hinting at a live even happening in the future and other data about the EoM plans.!.....

Sounds very interesting and I could +1 it, if it weren't for Sanshas call on capsuleers (not gonna happen, you either submit to the enslavement docrine or you burn in your capsule) and the fation caps, especially from LP stores. I say ´no´to both. Adding an Incrusrion for EoM is ok, not sure I want to see more of the FW mess added.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-08-20 13:05:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Spugg Galdon
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Personally I've been thinking about the EoM for a long time and I may have even posted some stuff about my ideas for them in the past but I'll let my brain spunk into this thread right now seems as it's on topic:

EoM start to appear inside Sansha incursions. Just a single ship here and there. If destroyed you recieve a snippit of data from it hinting at a live even happening in the future and other data about the EoM plans.!.....

Sounds very interesting and I could +1 it, if it weren't for Sanshas call on capsuleers (not gonna happen, you either submit to the enslavement docrine or you burn in your capsule) and the fation caps, especially from LP stores. I say ´no´to both. Adding an Incrusrion for EoM is ok, not sure I want to see more of the FW mess added.



Sansha himself has "rewarded" capsuleers for assisting his cause. He even personally reimbursed a players ship (it actually happened) when they tried to support Sansha's cause. I don't think it would be too far fetched for Sansha to create a militia to help fight a new threat.

Faction capitals might be a step too far to be able to get them from LP stores but I think if you put stupid prices on them it wouldn't be too bad. I would like to see a Shield-Hybrid and Shield-Laser based Dread.

Also, FW is probably one of the best working features in the game right now. Sure it needs some love here and there but it works very well and generates a huge amount of PvP.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#15 - 2014-08-20 13:34:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Also, FW is probably one of the best working features in the game right now. Sure it needs some love here and there but it works very well and generates a huge amount of PvP.

If you are not in FW but taking advantage of it existing, then yes... it does. Being in it with less then an active corp, not really, it's rather pathetic and most fights with (not amongst) FW pilots are initiated by pilots not being in FW at all. tha´t's why I call it broken. If you need big groups to participate in then it fails as the stepping stone it was supposed to be. One of the reasosn I left it a while ago. Way too much douchbaggery of non FW pilots in FW. And boring High sec camping of those who are actually.

But different topic, don´t wanna derail it here, enough threads open about this.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-08-20 13:40:02 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Also, FW is probably one of the best working features in the game right now. Sure it needs some love here and there but it works very well and generates a huge amount of PvP.

If you are not in FW but taking advantage of it existing, then yes... it does. Being in it with less then an active corp, not really, it's rather pathetic and most fights with (not amongst) FW pilots are initiated by pilots not being in FW at all. tha´t's why I call it broken. If you need big groups to participate in then it fails as the stepping stone it was supposed to be. One of the reasosn I left it a while ago. Way too much douchbaggery of non FW pilots in FW. And boring High sec camping of those who are actually.

But different topic, don´t wanna derail it here, enough threads open about this.



True but when I was in faction wars I had a great time. When neutrals came in to do some "douchbaggery" I opened my arms and said "whoop whoop! more dudes to shoot at!". This is a difference of opinions between us though and we have digressed but I still stand my ground and say a pirate factional warfare area would be good.
Apo Lamperouge
#17 - 2014-08-21 10:35:26 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Personally I've been thinking about the EoM for a long time and I may have even posted some stuff about my ideas for them in the past but I'll let my brain spunk into this thread right now seems as it's on topic:

EoM start to appear inside Sansha incursions. Just a single ship here and there. If destroyed you recieve a snippit of data from it hinting at a live even happening in the future and other data about the EoM plans.!.....

Sounds very interesting and I could +1 it, if it weren't for Sanshas call on capsuleers (not gonna happen, you either submit to the enslavement docrine or you burn in your capsule) and the fation caps, especially from LP stores. I say ´no´to both. Adding an Incrusrion for EoM is ok, not sure I want to see more of the FW mess added.


This is exactly what I was looking for, a "what about this?" and "that works, and this doesn't" type of discussion.

Maybe CCP Seagull should read this and start taking notes.

Come on CCP. We need new concepts and content. Not more T-shirts and arm tattoos.

Oh and while I'm thinking about it,, how about a PLEX for Skill Point remap? One plex per million skill points perhaps? Who really gives a **** about spending now 820 million isk to make my toon look different. I want to get back some of the stupid skills I trained when I started off. We get awarded 2 million skill points for showing up to a masstest on sisi, why not make some money off us? 1 PLEX per million or 2 million skillpoint remap.

Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.

Apo Lamperouge
#18 - 2014-08-21 10:39:15 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
Personally I've been thinking about the EoM for a long time and I may have even posted some stuff about my ideas for them in the past but I'll let my brain spunk into this thread right now seems as it's on topic:

EoM start to appear inside Sansha incursions. Just a single ship here and there. If destroyed you recieve a snippit of data from it hinting at a live even happening in the future and other data about the EoM plans.

After a while and enough data has been fed to the community the EoM show their hand. They do so during a Sansha live event incursion (remember the old ones when they raided a planet for people to become slaves). During the incursion, which will be in a high sec system, EoM appears and drops a cyno (EoM have aquired tech that allows them to use cyno's ANYWHERE). Sansha use artificial wormholes, EoM use unjammable cyno's. They then bridge in a fleet of carriers and dreads with a sub cap support fleet and engage everyone, including sansha ships, around the artificial wormhole. They also use an advanced science ship to stabalise the wormhole and approach it. They announce that they have came to take Sansha's wormhole tech and approach the wormhole. Sansha escalate by jumping their own dreads through the wormhole and epic combat ensues. Players can support who ever they want or just try to kill everyone. The Sansha wormhole will also become traversable so fighting can occur on both sides.

In the end, the EoM have shown their tech and it becomes apparant that they intend to try and re-open the EvE Gate with the Sansha Wormhole tech. They fail to get the tech from the battle but after the battle the EoM and Sansha call on support from capsuleers to join their cause as both sides declare open war on each other. EoM space and some previously unknown Sansha space (area of space currently not on the map) becomes accessable. This area of lowsec becomes the battleground for the EoM-Sansha pirate factional war (the first pirate faction war).

People who join the pirate FW militia's will be able to carry out normal FW activities for LP and discounted faction stuff from the LP stores. However, they will be aligning themselves to a pirate faction and will receive a permament -10 sec status whilst in the militia (or a permament criminal flag).

EoM also start carrying out their own incursions as they can move freely with their cyno tech. More incursions but a different flavour to Sansha

EoM ships would be active shield tanked snipers with long range warp scrams/disruptors. They would be slow but have excellent tanks and range. I would imagine EoM ships to look like this: link and be Amarr-Caldari based.

EoM and Sansha capital ships become available through LP stores.

So, if this feature was implemented you would get:
EoM incursions
Pirate factional warfare
New factional warfare space
New pirate hulls (EoM frigate, cruiser, battleship, carrier and dread. Sansha Dread)


Most of the above already exists so developement should be fairly easy:
The factional warfare and incursion mechanics already exist and would just need a change in "appearence"
"Actual" new content would only be some new ships and space, however, it would look like and feel like a massive expansion to the game!


^^^^^^^^

And this is awesome.
+1

Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#19 - 2014-08-21 11:18:20 UTC
Dear CCP:

With all due respect, shut up and give us EoM incursions and shiny EoM pirate hulls to match. It's been forever and the time has finally come. You're all on about "The pirate factions are rising", so let's have it.

Thank you.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#20 - 2014-08-21 11:25:30 UTC
Apo Lamperouge wrote:
Oh and while I'm thinking about it,, how about a PLEX for Skill Point remap? .....

Dear Apo, I would edit this out very quickly, not that is has been discussesd without end and stomped into the ground for good reasosn, it will derail your discussion in no time and lead to ad hominum and detract from your rest of the posts. I'll delete this too as soon as you do, so no trace will be left.

I really mean well here.
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