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Dev blog: Sharing is caring - Overview improvements with Hyperion

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Azarion Sinak
678 lost souls
#41 - 2014-08-20 21:20:31 UTC
Cheradenine Harper wrote:
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Yaml is far worse


Politely not going to believe that. Certainly not for speed of processing.


Polite or not, your belief that XML is more process heavy is actually kind of silly. They are both text files that have to be parsed linearly. XAML is XML with hierarchy and structure, just like YAML, but without the ridiculous nomenclature.

Oh sure, the php kiddies like YAML, but seriously, it has no traction in the real world.
0mni Ca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-08-20 22:32:09 UTC
AWESOME, and about time :) Will make it easier for new players to get into fleets and ensuring that they have the proper overview for friendly's as well as targets the FC's may want to prioritize.
Justin Cody
War Firm
#43 - 2014-08-20 22:41:51 UTC
Azarion Sinak wrote:
Cheradenine Harper wrote:
Quote:
Yaml is far worse


Politely not going to believe that. Certainly not for speed of processing.


Polite or not, your belief that XML is more process heavy is actually kind of silly. They are both text files that have to be parsed linearly. XAML is XML with hierarchy and structure, just like YAML, but without the ridiculous nomenclature.

Oh sure, the php kiddies like YAML, but seriously, it has no traction in the real world.


shave your neckbeard for god's sake. Regardless of your opinion it will be YAML in the here and now no matter how much you try to denigrate this effort. It will not affect your daily life and the quality of your EVE playing will only get better.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#44 - 2014-08-20 22:51:08 UTC
I didn't see the booster timer mentioned in either devblog or the Hyperion Features page. Is it still on the table or has it been pulled?

It is another awesome feature I'm looking forward to.

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#45 - 2014-08-20 23:00:55 UTC
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
I didn't see the booster timer mentioned in either devblog or the Hyperion Features page. Is it still on the table or has it been pulled?

It is another awesome feature I'm looking forward to.
Still on the table, it's just didn't really belong in the devblog and maybe a bit to small to be mentioned on the feature page Smile

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#46 - 2014-08-20 23:01:44 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
CCP Goliath wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
only second Sad, let's pretend I was the first though!
Show people you care by sharing!

Also: questions, comments?
Question: Why don't you drink so I can buy you a beer
Comment: The only thing better than this feature is the thought of a nice cold beer at the end of a long day of work.

Lol

Altrue wrote:
Darkblad wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
So if we have 20 presets in our overview, it will only pull the 5 that are in use?
Right, but you might "simply" create four shared settings. Each one of them has the same global settings, but different tab presets (profiles).


Oh eeeh... I guess that works but its kind of suboptimal for those of us who use a "Various" tab that relies on loading different setups on the fly.
You can still import only tab presets, and they are not deleted when you load a different overview profile (although we'll probably change it so "clear overview settings" deletes them)
Chillya wrote:
I have one question though: how hard would it be to make a drop down menu for d-scan, where you'd select the overview tab profile to be used instead of the current "use active overview settings"? Is it something you would consider doing?

The reason I personally would like this is because oftentimes things I want to see in the overview are different from the things I want to d-scan.
Good point... when we did the d-scan changes not too long ago, we wanted to try out something like that, but the way the overview presets were set up made it very hard and we decided we should rather focus on the actual task at hand. Now when we have done some refactoring, the presets might actually be easier to use there, so maybe we should look into that again Smile

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#47 - 2014-08-20 23:31:16 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
I didn't see the booster timer mentioned in either devblog or the Hyperion Features page. Is it still on the table or has it been pulled?

It is another awesome feature I'm looking forward to.
Still on the table, it's just didn't really belong in the devblog and maybe a bit to small to be mentioned on the feature page Smile

Its a bigger change then the current version of the market tool tips which is on Sisi.P

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Slicr
#48 - 2014-08-21 00:53:33 UTC
Awesome.

Just wonder a few things:
1. If you have someone blocked (say for example out of the blue - an ISK doubler in Jita) and they start going to town with linking their overview in chat, do I still see it?
2. If someone (say for example, totally random - a chat spammer in Jita) starts linking his overview multiple times in chat - does the server record it only the once or each time the hyped-up person hits that enter button like it was the firing button for a battlecruiser facing the armada?

Thanks

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#49 - 2014-08-21 01:06:51 UTC
<3 <3 <3

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Kethry Avenger
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-08-21 01:13:56 UTC
Well this should make my life so much easier! Thanks!Big smile


Any chance you will be making, bookmarking Safespots easier in the future? It is not exactly hard now, just it never seems to make the bookmark where I want it.

I would really like an upgrade to my navigation computer where I could just tell it I want to go so far in the X,Y,Z directions and it takes me there. Heck, just let me tell my ship to go X number of km or AU in the direction I'm currently pointed would work.
( I would then have to figure out how to ship beer or a case of beer equivalent to Iceland.)
Abel Baxter
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-08-21 01:25:58 UTC
Dear Devs,

I welcome the ability to share overview settings, but please overhaul overview behaviours.
For example, when you deselect all of the filter states and only select the equivalent of "show criminals" you also need to enable a host of other filters in order to see the globally flagged criminals in the overview. I expected that a pilots global criminal state was independent of constraints like globally neutral, etc.

Sincerely,
Abel Baxter
Lothras Andastar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-08-21 03:44:13 UTC
Can we please, PLEASE have the ability to add capital letters into our overview names? There is no reason for them to be all lower case. :(

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Magic Crisp
Amarrian Micro Devices
#53 - 2014-08-21 05:00:59 UTC
Regarding linking OV settings, please also make it possible to define an OV setting using IGB javascript method. That would make it possible for us to create OV setting stores and open them with a single click. I would love to have something like CCPEVE.overviewSetting() :)
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#54 - 2014-08-21 05:28:33 UTC
Salpun wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
I didn't see the booster timer mentioned in either devblog or the Hyperion Features page. Is it still on the table or has it been pulled?

It is another awesome feature I'm looking forward to.
Still on the table, it's just didn't really belong in the devblog and maybe a bit to small to be mentioned on the feature page Smile

Its a bigger change then the current version of the market tool tips which is on Sisi.P

Finally found most of them in the settings window but the info tool tip in this build does not work consistently.

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ISD Rontea
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#55 - 2014-08-21 05:46:12 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
only second Sad, let's pretend I was the first though!
Show people you care by sharing!

Also: questions, comments?

Great instrument for all EVE pilots. Thanks!

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Interstellar Services Department
Ultimate Tales
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-08-21 07:15:47 UTC
Allow us to use more then one table in same time.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#57 - 2014-08-21 07:35:26 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:

The reason I personally would like this is because oftentimes things I want to see in the overview are different from the things I want to d-scan.
Good point... when we did the d-scan changes not too long ago, we wanted to try out something like that, but the way the overview presets were set up made it very hard and we decided we should rather focus on the actual task at hand. Now when we have done some refactoring, the presets might actually be easier to use there, so maybe we should look into that again Smile[/quote]

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-08-21 08:46:41 UTC
Mixed. I like the possibility to persist settings in-game, but I dislike the all-or-nothing behavior. The overview settings and the different tabs are and should be highly individual, that intentionally overwriting them all at once IMO is the 5% case. People will start importing others overviews without reflection and deep knowledge of the details. This will reduce the awareness and can be even dangerous if for example your GTFO settings, you are trained for, are changed every time you join a new player group favoring their own settings.

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#59 - 2014-08-21 09:51:37 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
Slicr wrote:
Awesome.

Just wonder a few things:
1. If you have someone blocked (say for example out of the blue - an ISK doubler in Jita) and they start going to town with linking their overview in chat, do I still see it?
2. If someone (say for example, totally random - a chat spammer in Jita) starts linking his overview multiple times in chat - does the server record it only the once or each time the hyped-up person hits that enter button like it was the firing button for a battlecruiser facing the armada?

Thanks
1. This change has nothing to do with that.
2. We are logging linking and clicking, but there is also some caching involved there so clicking the link multiple times will not hit the server every time. The overview profiles are on a separate server node, so that shouldn't even impact the rest of the server.

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Wormerling
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-08-21 10:41:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Wormerling
CCP karkur wrote:
Chillya wrote:
The reason I personally would like this is because oftentimes things I want to see in the overview are different from the things I want to d-scan.
Good point... when we did the d-scan changes not too long ago, we wanted to try out something like that, but the way the overview presets were set up made it very hard and we decided we should rather focus on the actual task at hand. Now when we have done some refactoring, the presets might actually be easier to use there, so maybe we should look into that again Smile

As a guy who lived in wormspace most of his EVE-life I'm waiting for this feature for several years. The simplest example of this would be to remove planets and wrecks from d-scan when doing anomalies in wormspace to reduce clutter and focus on detecting incoming ships and probes. The other "Tower Finder" perset for d-scan may invovle towers, planets and moons only. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEEEASE MAKE THIS, IF POSSIBLE!