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Rodric O'Connor
Dark Evolved Industries
Dark Taboo
#1 - 2014-08-21 02:57:16 UTC
hi every one was hoping you guys could help a bit im thinking of getting a new pc and ive been thinking about an alienware aurora (and before some of you try to tack my head i've heard every thing that ppl say about alienware)

it has:
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-4820K Processor (4-cores, 10MB Cache, Overclocked up to 4.2 GHz w/ Turbo Boost)
GPU:AMD Radeon(TM) R9 270 with 2GB GDDR5
RAM:8192MB (4x2GB) 1600MHz DDR3 Quad Channel
memory:1TB SATA 6Gb/s (7200RPM) 32MB Cache

now i like to know if i can max out eve using it or do i have to pay out 200 to 300 euro more to do so

Jean-Paul Sartre once said “People are like dice. We throw ourselves in the direction of our own choosing.” these words are so true in eve
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-08-21 03:00:37 UTC
You're good to go in terms of spec. But seriously alienware? Also post your PSU. No good if have good hardware and not enough PG to run it all properly. I still prefer Nvidia though.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Rodric O'Connor
Dark Evolved Industries
Dark Taboo
#3 - 2014-08-21 03:08:39 UTC
well the power supply is 875W

Jean-Paul Sartre once said “People are like dice. We throw ourselves in the direction of our own choosing.” these words are so true in eve
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#4 - 2014-08-21 03:16:09 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
You're good to go in terms of spec. But seriously alienware? Also post your PSU. No good if have good hardware and not enough PG to run it all properly. I still prefer Nvidia though.

Did you just refer to the PSU as powergrid? You've been playing Eve too long. Big smile

And I'd say that rig is more than good enough to max out Eve.
Lothras Andastar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-08-21 03:27:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lothras Andastar
That CPU is overkill for anything but heavy workstation use.

Try out http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/ and be amazed at how much cheaper it is

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/8x4hvK This build will blow that alienware **** out the water for a fraction of the price

Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#6 - 2014-08-21 03:37:41 UTC
Yeh CPU is waaay overkill if you arent doing Graphic Design or editing video a lot.

DO NOT GET ALIENWARE. THEY ARE NOT GAMING PCS> THE PEOPLE THAT BUILD THEM HAVE NO BLOODY CLUE.

That cpu would be good to pair with a $1000 graphics card not a $200 one. You will see virtually zero performance increase in games compared to spending the extra cash on a graphics card getting 20% bonus in performance.
Highade
Spike Solutions
#7 - 2014-08-21 03:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Highade
Rodric O'Connor wrote:
hi every one was hoping you guys could help a bit im thinking of getting a new pc and ive been thinking about an alienware aurora (and before some of you try to tack my head i've heard every thing that ppl say about alienware)

it has:
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-4820K Processor (4-cores, 10MB Cache, Overclocked up to 4.2 GHz w/ Turbo Boost)
GPU:AMD Radeon(TM) R9 270 with 2GB GDDR5
RAM:8192MB (4x2GB) 1600MHz DDR3 Quad Channel
memory:1TB SATA 6Gb/s (7200RPM) 32MB Cache

now i like to know if i can max out eve using it or do i have to pay out 200 to 300 euro more to do so




Really depends on the display more then anything else, 2k display you can easily run it on max with a five year old core duo, and a single gtx560, or a HD7770. With a 4k display you can still use a five year old core duo, and dual 780's SLI'd with at least 3gb's Vram, or dual 290x's crossfired with at least 3gb's of Vram.

Wild guess is you use a 1080 monitor, so you can max out eve with a $400 used PC.

P.S. a 875W PSU is jokes dude... what are you trying to run? a fridge?
Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-08-21 03:53:41 UTC
All your really getting from an Alienware is a Dell with shiny bells and whistles. I bought a Dell laptop with the same specs as an Alienware, but it's pretty much a piece of junk. Also, my brother ended up going with the Alienware model and is having the same issues that I am. Not likely a coincidence. I would recommend either a Toshiba or Samsung as far as laptops go. I've had really good experiences with both.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2014-08-21 04:11:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Aside from what's already been said, I would also strongly suggest staying away from that RAM configuration. It means you fill out your memory slots with no room for expansion — you'll have to replace it almost entirely if you want more, so that's money down the drain.

Get 2×4 or 1×8 GB if you want that much RAM — that will mean that you can just put in more sticks of the same kind.

Highade wrote:
P.S. a 875W PSU is jokes dude... what are you trying to run? a fridge?
There's some truth to this too. Personally, I always overspend on PSUs and get far too much wattage because it is a surprisingly critical component that you don't want to skimp on and because having tons of unused power tends to mean that the PSU will run cooler and more silently. However, that's entirely personal preference (and superstition) so you could probably save some cash here.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-08-21 04:21:28 UTC
A lot of what people say about Alienware's quality and expensiveness comes from the days before they were acquired by Dell. Of course buying a desktop from them is no substitute for building one yourself, but then there are those of us who are in the market for laptops...

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Highade
Spike Solutions
#11 - 2014-08-21 04:31:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Highade
Tippia wrote:
Aside from what's already been said, I would also strongly suggest staying away from that RAM configuration. It means you fill out your memory slots with no room for expansion — you'll have to replace it almost entirely if you want more, so that's money down the drain.

Get 2×4 or 1×8 GB if you want that much RAM — that will mean that you can just put in more sticks of the same kind.

Highade wrote:
P.S. a 875W PSU is jokes dude... what are you trying to run? a fridge?
There's some truth to this too. Personally, I always overspend on PSUs and get far too much wattage because it is a surprisingly critical component that you don't want to skimp on and because having tons of unused power tends to mean that the PSU will run cooler and more silently. However, that's entirely personal preference (and superstition) so you could probably save some cash here.



It's important to get a high quality PSU more then rated wattage. They are graded plus, bronze, silver, gold, platinum, and titanium and higher efficiency units tend to have better components, so it's pretty easy to know high quality to low quality. With the components the OP listed, 650w is what he would need at max, if he want to spend more on a PSU, sure go buy a gold, or platinum rated one, not a 875w one lol......
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2014-08-21 04:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Highade wrote:
It's important to get a high quality PSU more then rated wattage. They are graded plus, bronze, silver, gold, platinum, and titanium and higher efficiency units tend to have better components, so it's pretty easy to know high quality to low quality. With the components the OP listed, 650w is what he would need at max, if he want to spend more on a PSU, sure go buy a gold, or platinum rated one, not a 875w one lol......

Oh definitely. I'm just saying that I prefer to go overboard on both, but for different reasons: high grade to remove all kinds of weird issues that PSUs can cause, and high wattage to simply have a PSU that hardly goes above “lazy idling” even when the system is at full load, because it keeps the heat and corresponding noise down. Underclock everything — it's the road to happiness. P


…also, grrr, noise… 🔇
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-08-21 04:44:32 UTC
here you go: http://www.choosemypc.net/

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
vicuneo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-08-21 05:27:20 UTC
Highade wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Aside from what's already been said, I would also strongly suggest staying away from that RAM configuration. It means you fill out your memory slots with no room for expansion — you'll have to replace it almost entirely if you want more, so that's money down the drain.

Get 2×4 or 1×8 GB if you want that much RAM — that will mean that you can just put in more sticks of the same kind.

Highade wrote:
P.S. a 875W PSU is jokes dude... what are you trying to run? a fridge?
There's some truth to this too. Personally, I always overspend on PSUs and get far too much wattage because it is a surprisingly critical component that you don't want to skimp on and because having tons of unused power tends to mean that the PSU will run cooler and more silently. However, that's entirely personal preference (and superstition) so you could probably save some cash here.



It's important to get a high quality PSU more then rated wattage. They are graded plus, bronze, silver, gold, platinum, and titanium and higher efficiency units tend to have better components, so it's pretty easy to know high quality to low quality. With the components the OP listed, 650w is what he would need at max, if he want to spend more on a PSU, sure go buy a gold, or platinum rated one, not a 875w one lol......



I have a 900W Twisted on my desktop

To be honest, I play on a laptop nowadays as I am less tempted to upgrade constantly:

i7-4710MQ Processor
16 GB DDR3
GeForce GTX 880M
Vicky Powers
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-08-21 09:55:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Vicky Powers
Rodric O'Connor wrote:
hi every one was hoping you guys could help a bit im thinking of getting a new pc and ive been thinking about an alienware aurora (and before some of you try to tack my head i've heard every thing that ppl say about alienware)

it has:
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-4820K Processor (4-cores, 10MB Cache, Overclocked up to 4.2 GHz w/ Turbo Boost)
GPU:AMD Radeon(TM) R9 270 with 2GB GDDR5
RAM:8192MB (4x2GB) 1600MHz DDR3 Quad Channel
memory:1TB SATA 6Gb/s (7200RPM) 32MB Cache

now i like to know if i can max out eve using it or do i have to pay out 200 to 300 euro more to do so



There's nothing wrong with Alienware(Dell) but they are out to make a profit. If you have the time I'd suggest building your own as you will save $400 - $800 doing so. I built the following 4 months ago and I've been extremely happy with it. If I bought this from Alienware it would have easily cost me $2300 - $2500

SYS - Windows 7 Professional SP1 64bit (OEM) System Builder DVD 1 Pack - $128.00
Case - Thermaltake Overseer RX-I $130.00
Power Supply - EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B 80PLUS Bronze - $ 105.00
Motherboard - MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming LGA 1150 Intel Z87 - $165.00
RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB - $168.00
CPU - Intel Core i7-4770K Quad-Core Desktop Processor - $320.00
GPU - EVGA GeForce GTX780 3GB GDDR5 384bit - $500.00
CPU FAN - Noctua 6 Dual Heatpipe with 140mm/130mm Dual SSO Bearing Fans CPU Cooler - $80.00
HD - Seagate Barracuda 2 TB HDD SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 64MB - $85.00
CD - Lite-On Super AllWrite 24X SATA DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive - $20.00
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound 3.5 Grams - $8.00

$1709.00
djentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#16 - 2014-08-21 09:56:38 UTC
To be blunt, if your plans consist of playing EVE and just general use, you are throwing money away.

To call the CPU overkill is a understatement. Generally speaking, in my personal opinion, when you are buying an "Alienware" system you are literally just throwing money away to get the feeling that you have something special or unique, when in reality you are just paying Dell extra cash for the exact same thing you would get if it was in a case that said "Dell" vs "Alienware."

So, I recommend you save some cash and be a little more sane about this.

The GPU, RAM, and Hard Drive seem mostly sane, but as another poster pointed out - if you really are going to spend this kind of cash you should probably consider spending a little bit MORE on the GPU and a lot LESS on the CPU.

And finally, one thing that most people forget - there's such a thing as just too much. Any framerate in a video game over 60 frames a second might as well be a framerate of 42 billion frames a second - you're just not going to notice any difference (And yes, I am aware some people will swear that they "feel" like things are more responsive at 80-100 FPS - but the point remains - there is a point where it's just not going to matter anymore).

Example: I'm on a weird mismatch of a desktop. Thanks to a company I did some work going bankrupt while still owning me a fair chunk of cash, I ended up with this:

Memory: 8 GB of single channel DDR3
Hard Drive: 2x random Western Digital 1TB SATA drives
GPU: A old as hell Nvidia Geforce 9600 GT
CPU: AMD FX-8320 (8 Core @ 3.6 GhZ)

Even with a video card that really needs to be replaced, slow SATA drives, unimpressive RAM - I can run two EVE clients (on two separate monitors!) at Max settings (with the exception Anti-Aliasing, I keep that off) and neither client under any situation that I find myself part of ever drops under 60 frames a second.

I'm sure many people here can recommend pre-built rigs that might provide a lot more "bang for your buck" you might want to consider, but man - I really advise taking the plunge, doing the homework - and just getting all the parts you need from somewhere like Newegg.com and putting it together yourself. It's quite easy to do, and you will end up saving a ton of cash as well as owning a system that is a lot easier to upgrade later - not to mention the pride you get from getting all DIY style!
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#17 - 2014-08-21 11:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Carniflex
As noted. GPU is too weak compared to the CPU. For a gaming machine what you want is approx half of your setup price in the GPU and rest of the components picked so that they do not hold the GPU setup back.

For approx the similar price you shoudl be able to get R9 290 or at least R9 280X (or the nVidia equivalent, which is usually a little pricier .. approx 770 series?) and pair it with i5 or AMD FX 6300. While 8 GB of RAM is adequate I would go for 16 GB.

Also get an SSD in there. Around 128 GB is enough for system and couple games (like EVE, for example). And some 1 TB or so HDD for "other stuff" that does not need to be on SSD but which you can watch while in boring fleets.

If you multiaccount SSD is more relevant than if you run single account. Although high amount of RAM can to some degree mask HDD latency but even then SSD makes loading screen a little faster after jumps with multiple accounts.

Edit: If you are interested in building your own PC then there are sites out there with a ton of useful info about that. I' for example, frequent ona site called Overclock.net. You can find me in there with the same username as here.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-08-21 11:57:53 UTC
Rodric O'Connor wrote:
hi every one was hoping you guys could help a bit im thinking of getting a new pc and ive been thinking about an alienware aurora (and before some of you try to tack my head i've heard every thing that ppl say about alienware)

it has:
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-4820K Processor (4-cores, 10MB Cache, Overclocked up to 4.2 GHz w/ Turbo Boost)
GPU:AMD Radeon(TM) R9 270 with 2GB GDDR5
RAM:8192MB (4x2GB) 1600MHz DDR3 Quad Channel
memory:1TB SATA 6Gb/s (7200RPM) 32MB Cache

now i like to know if i can max out eve using it or do i have to pay out 200 to 300 euro more to do so


RAM:8192MB (4x2GB) 1600MHz DDR3 Quad Channel <---might suggest 16GB instead
memory:1TB SATA 6Gb/s (7200RPM) 32MB Cache <---get a Solid State Drive for your primary drive also.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-08-21 13:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Adrie Atticus
1. Print out the alienware spec sheet
2. Walk to your local PC shop (local, not walmart)
3. Ask them to build an equal machine with these additions:
- 128/256Gb SSD
- 16Gb of RAM
- Proper PSU, e.g. something which costs more than 10Eur / 100W, preferrably modular.

You'll save money and support local businesses at the same time.
Solecist Project
#20 - 2014-08-21 13:40:31 UTC
First.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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