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CCP Response Regarding SOMER Blink Concerns

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Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#281 - 2014-08-20 23:24:44 UTC
Brahan Seer wrote:
Wow 50 shades of dumb, nice professionalism Falcon.


In fairness, your post was incredibly stupid
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#282 - 2014-08-20 23:25:13 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

After careful consideration and consultation with CSM9, who have displayed an outstanding level of support in assisting with this issue, CCP has taken the decision to permanently ban the founder of SOMER Blink from EVE Online across all accounts, with immediate effect.


CCP Falcon wrote:

Following the promotion, CCP no longer regards SOMER Blink as a fair or legitimate service within the EVE Community. We are unable to provide reimbursements as per section 1.3 of our reimbursement policy, so it’s good to see that SOMER Blink is shutting down in a controlled and stable manner, and that players will be able to withdraw their ISK and / or assets.
While we will be monitoring this closely, we have no intention of interfering with the process, as we feel that allowing players to be able to have their assets and/or ISK returned by SOMER Blink will is an important part of bringing this situation to a solid resolution.


I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone?

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Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#283 - 2014-08-20 23:27:30 UTC
DaOpa wrote:
So is this RMT or not, paying a EVE Player ISK to work on stuff that has nothing to do with EVE Online>?

I grow tired of debating the exact definition of "RMT", so have this quote from the Terms of Service:
Quote:
11. The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#284 - 2014-08-20 23:27:52 UTC
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone?


have you ever played blink

did you think it was somer himself making the payouts and contracting the prizes each time

think hard about this

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#285 - 2014-08-20 23:29:22 UTC
i suppose people upset about this should be happy that only somer's accounts were banned and that the corp assets were left as they were, otherwise you'd deal with the same outcome as anybody else who is owed ISK by a banned player: SOL

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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#286 - 2014-08-20 23:30:18 UTC
HarlyQ wrote:
I am waiting to see more requests about what items got banned with somers accounts. I'm not sure if CCP releases that type of info but look for prices on assumed banned ships to jump.


Well, those ships are pretty unique.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#287 - 2014-08-20 23:30:58 UTC
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone?
It's called delegation, you pass all the work off to your minions while taking all of the credit and raking in the cash. It's a fairly common business practice.

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CCP Falcon
#288 - 2014-08-20 23:32:06 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:


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You're the worst Mike.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#289 - 2014-08-20 23:34:14 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone?
It's called delegation, you pass all the work off to your minions while taking all of the credit and raking in the cash. It's a fairly common business practice.


don't forget passing down all the blame

that is absolutely crucial

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#290 - 2014-08-20 23:35:18 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone?
It's called delegation, you pass all the work off to your minions while taking all of the credit and raking in the cash. It's a fairly common business practice.


don't forget passing down all the blame

that is absolutely crucial
True true, credit flows up, blame flows down.

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CCP Falcon
#291 - 2014-08-20 23:40:38 UTC
HarlyQ wrote:
I am waiting to see more requests about what items got banned with somers accounts. I'm not sure if CCP releases that type of info but look for prices on assumed banned ships to jump.


We don't release information of this nature Smile

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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#292 - 2014-08-20 23:41:09 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
AkJon Ferguson wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

"Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being “approved by CCP.” But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement,"

In other words: Yes, the promotion was approved by CCP. But we didn't give him permission to tell people that it was approved by CCP.


Actually the promotion as it was enacted was not approved by us--nor was it the same as one they had discussed with us previously. That part is in the paragraph after the one you quoted.

So what you quoted above is us saying that we didn't give permission to SOMER Blink to say the non-approved promotion was approved by us.

As, one would imagine would be a thing we would do.


In other words.... There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#293 - 2014-08-20 23:41:22 UTC
Please Delete... Forums acting weird lately & double posting.

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CCP Falcon
#294 - 2014-08-20 23:41:22 UTC
Frantico wrote:
"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value."

well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken

*edited*
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609

feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure


I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX.



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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#295 - 2014-08-20 23:42:31 UTC
i wonder if every CCP member has to consult the legal team before making a forum post.
you know so they properly represent CCP if they represent CCP and explicitly say or not when they're just doing their own thing (banter, having a good time, etc.)
Bring on the Bureacracy Twisted
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#296 - 2014-08-20 23:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
CCP Falcon wrote:
Frantico wrote:
"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value."

well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken

*edited*
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609

feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure


I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX.



So what you're saying is that the incredibly rare ships are now sat in CCPs corporate hangar and may be used in a live event sometime in the future? Twisted

It's not like they were ever going to get undocked anyway for any reason other than lulz.

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CCP Falcon
#297 - 2014-08-20 23:44:19 UTC
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
i wonder if every CCP member has to consult the legal team before making a forum post.
you know so they properly represent CCP if they represent CCP and explicitly say or not when they're just doing their own thing (banter, having a good time, etc.)
Bring on the Bureacracy Twisted


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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#298 - 2014-08-20 23:44:36 UTC
Niko Lorenzio wrote:
CCP Manifest wrote:
AkJon Ferguson wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

"Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being “approved by CCP.” But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement,"

In other words: Yes, the promotion was approved by CCP. But we didn't give him permission to tell people that it was approved by CCP.


Actually the promotion as it was enacted was not approved by us--nor was it the same as one they had discussed with us previously. That part is in the paragraph after the one you quoted.

So what you quoted above is us saying that we didn't give permission to SOMER Blink to say the non-approved promotion was approved by us.

As, one would imagine would be a thing we would do.


In other words.... There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

That quote is pertinent and insightful regardless of who said it or what they did.

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Natako Pirkibo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#299 - 2014-08-20 23:45:17 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Any consideration regarding the fact that this action will most likely remove a large number of unique items from the game (namely, numerous AT prize ships and other not-obtainable-ever-again type ships that are/were in possession of Somer)?

A potential solution would be to auction these unique items through public contracts with the ISK going to CCP (ie. removed from the game). Might even help fight the inflation a bit :)


Zero phux given. Noone flies that s*** longer than it takes to lock it.

Two step wrote:
Are you concerned that banning Somer might lock up ISK/assets that could otherwise be used to repay players?


Even less phux given. If you gamble, you should be ready to loose your stuff in 99.(9)% cases. Hell, every time you throw your stuff in a gambling action, consider it being lost. Every time you win, consider gaining a free stuff.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#300 - 2014-08-20 23:47:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
CCP Falcon wrote:
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I am jelly of your forum superpowers, especially the ability to post cat pictures Sad

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