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I have a question For people that say they will never go to Null or lowsec
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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2011-12-09 18:54:43 UTC
Couldn't agree more Hurzog. The main broken mechanic in null sec is alliance leadership. Even though other things need work and supers should be removed, the leadership is simply short sighted and greedy. I have to dump some of the blame on null pilots as a whole since they don't want to shake up their leadership so that they do have something to do. Perhaps those alliances have gotten so large that they can't change leadership. In that case, they have been effectively highjacked.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#182 - 2011-12-09 18:56:18 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Or they could simple stop killing everything that moves for no reason.


Do you leave the doors to your house unlocked in the hope that strangers will walk in and maybe leave loose change between your couch cushions?
NatteFrost85
KakeMafiaen
#183 - 2011-12-09 19:05:07 UTC
well, im in the a2 category.

main reason to why im no longer part of player corps is that ther is abseloutly no1 that suits me and how i play eve.(look at my corp history if you dont belive i havent tryed)

allso, for me hisec is the moust secure place to be in, i can go where i want whenever i want, whit 0 risk where i currently am, that my ship will be not be taken by suicide gankers.

this is something that dont exist in low or 0.0. some of you may argue 0.0 is safer then hisec but that is only aslong as the alliance living there manages to protect it. as sutch 0.0 aint safer then highsec and i have no reason to go there.
same whit lowsec exept ther, no1 is i controll of anything.

so what do i do whit my isk i make from mission running? save upp for faction and pirate ships that im only using for missions and since i cant get bigger ships then a BS in hisec its not so costly(after all i live by the rule; dont fly what you cant afford to loose).
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#184 - 2011-12-09 19:05:19 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Or they could simple stop killing everything that moves for no reason.


Do you leave the doors to your house unlocked in the hope that strangers will walk in and maybe leave loose change between your couch cushions?



0.0 space and my house are two entirely different things.

Let's see, whenever someone claims the griefing is a metagame experience, and that the grief is real, we get a flood of "don't compare EvE to real life!!!1!!" but when justifying the kill-everything-that-moves mentality of NAPed up alliances, all of a sudden the RL need for security is applicable to this game.

How many gate-camping stay-at-home sons have locked doors RFN? Gun handy? Windows? Gated community?

There's no connection here.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2011-12-09 19:21:23 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So null bears, suck it up, create an high sec mission runner/ industrial alt/ Incursion runner/ trader and move on with your Eve life.

We have. We've botted up L4s to no end, and started doing incursions. Yay for inflasion. vOv

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
could simple stop killing everything that moves for no reason.

If it's not blue, it shouldn't be there. If it should be there, it would have blue standings. It's that simple.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2011-12-09 19:36:47 UTC
Why shouldn't it be there Zim? Why does it have to be blue? Are you worried that it wouldn't be safe? High sec flies with reds all the time. THAT requires thought, planning and risk management.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#187 - 2011-12-09 19:39:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
yeah stupid goonies why defend your space?
too SCARED to do the thought, planning and risk management of LOGGING ON NPC CORP ALT?!?!
CHICKEN?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#188 - 2011-12-09 19:42:05 UTC
We need to protect our space so we can pull off mittens' nefarious PI plan.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2011-12-09 19:42:19 UTC
Whoops, did I say that out loud?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2011-12-09 19:42:24 UTC
Having flown in Provi I have seen it work there too. It seems the weakest players need the easiest rule set.
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#191 - 2011-12-09 19:42:24 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Igualmentedos wrote:
Carebears know why he's asking. He's upset and butthurt that some people just don't play the way he does.
Carebears always think that reality is defined by what they think it is. They think this about EVE and about other people.

It's like they are all solipsists or something.


Call it what you want. The people responding, "stop telling others how to play" are just calling the OP out on a pathetic guise. They know why he's asking these questions.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2011-12-09 19:43:48 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Whoops, did I say that out loud?


Do you really think anything like that would be a secret?
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#193 - 2011-12-09 19:46:06 UTC
Baden Luskan wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Take no part in the game?

You mean take no part in the game that you think they should. They're taking part in incursions, as a part of your definition... that's certainly a part of the game they're taking part in.

Your bias... it's leaking on the carpet.


Agree with this. This game is many things. People need to stop assuming that their game is the only game to be played.


I totally agree, but staying in high sec and never finding out what 0.0 life is like staying in the starting zones your whole life in WoW. At least in my opinion.


In my experience most "carebears" have been to null, and they quickly realized that playing with tear farming losers isn't an enjoyable game experience.
Aldan Romar
Doomheim
#194 - 2011-12-09 19:55:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldan Romar
To answer the implied question: I'm playing Elite with better graphics and that eerie feeling of risk of having half of Goonswarm hot dropping me any second.

As for the direct question:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Is there something you do with this isk?

I'm mainly playing for the nice sights not for ISK. ISK is a means to an end to me. I don't optimize my ISK/hour ratio. I buy ISK with real money, if I don't have enough.

So, if I have ISK, I:
- spend it on better ships and modules,
- spend it on more ships and modules,
- spend it on PLEX to tranfer to AUR to spend on the NEX,
- stockpile it,
- give some to friends.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2011-12-09 20:08:21 UTC
Aldan Romar wrote:
To answer the implied question: I'm playing Elite with better graphics and that eerie feeling of risk of having half of Goonswarm hot dropping me any second.

As for the direct question:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Is there something you do with this isk?

I'm mainly playing for the nice sights not for ISK. ISK is a means to an end to me. I don't optimize my ISK/hour ratio. I buy ISK with real money, if I don't have enough.

So, if I have ISK, I:
- spend it on better ships and modules,
- spend it on more ships and modules,
- spend it on PLEX to tranfer to AUR to spend on the NEX,
- stockpile it,
- give some to friends.


Very true. I honestly don't know how many new players I have given isk and material (ships, modules, etc.) to. Some of them I never even met. Friends of friends kind of thing. I had a 1 man, 2 account corp for quite a while and I liked it that way. I found it to be a hassle to add members. I just liked doing my own thing.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#196 - 2011-12-09 21:10:19 UTC
Igualmentedos wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Igualmentedos wrote:
Carebears know why he's asking. He's upset and butthurt that some people just don't play the way he does.
Carebears always think that reality is defined by what they think it is. They think this about EVE and about other people.

It's like they are all solipsists or something.


Call it what you want. The people responding, "stop telling others how to play" are just calling the OP out on a pathetic guise. They know why he's asking these questions.
No, they don't.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#197 - 2011-12-09 21:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Crumplecorn
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El Boracho
State War Academy
Caldari State
#198 - 2011-12-09 22:47:17 UTC
Morganta wrote:
exploitation of the addiction mechanic in humans

same principals as with gambling addiction.

and if given a choice between winning and losing, people will always take winning


True but in a sandbox game there is no single definition of winning.


NullSecDude: I am master of this block of space, fear me.

HiSecGuy: Who cares

NullSecDude: You are ignoring 90% of the game, wtf

HiSecGuy: yep
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#199 - 2011-12-09 22:58:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Baaldor
El Boracho wrote:


True but in a sandbox game there is no single definition of winning.


NullSecDude: I am master of this block of space, fear me.

HiSecGuy: Who cares

NullSecDude: You are ignoring 90% of the game, wtf

HiSecGuy: yep



Actually is it is more like....

NullSecDude: Looking for decent pilots, Null Sec fun and games

HiSecGuy: Sure, but this is what I demand, I am not going to x up for fleet, I expect some type of protective service when I rat or mine, if I lose a ship I expect to be reimbursed and if some one can move my **** from High Sec that would be great.

NullSecDude: Dude, WTF! entitled much?

HiSecGuy: yep
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#200 - 2011-12-09 23:21:58 UTC
Torin Corax wrote:

It's not about need, it's simply curiosity coupled with a desire to see the game from the Pov of someone who plays it in a different way with different motivations. Since when has open discourse and attempting to be more understanding of others been a bad thing?


The OP reeks of bias as he implies that just because players in the Incursion thread said they would never leave high sec means that they do not interact with anyone. He also assumes that he knows exactly what all players do, at all times, and knows that they never interact, with anyone, ever.

If he had worded his question differently he may have had a different thread.

And the following quote is one of the better answers to the question the OP was trying to get to.

Morganta wrote:
exploitation of the addiction mechanic in humans

same principals as with gambling addiction.

and if given a choice between winning and losing, people will always take winning


The way I see it though is most people think that they know what the other player is doing just becaus they could never get them to interact with them. This even sounds a little egocentric quite honestly.


Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:
Captain Alcatraz wrote:
Because some people would never leave the cave given the chance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave


Ugh. That allegory is one of the worst justifications of woo ever. It forms the basis of every tyranny known to man. "Force them out, they'll thank us later." It's too bad that of all the great Greek philosophers, Plato is the most remembered.


It's incredibly ironic you could be so wrong on your interpretation, mostly because this applies to people like you.


And I bet you would really love the opportunity to drag him out and show him the way, would you not?

How ironic Question


Slade