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Levarnu
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-09-12 15:31:39 UTC
I'm confused

How come players are allowed to advertise on this "New Citizens Q&A" forum with their annoying "21-day trial + ISK if you upgrade offer"??

It's advertising and a way for these people to earn loads of ISK, possibly even as an attempt to scam.
If scam attempts was posted in ANY other section on the forum (probably apart from the trade forum) it would be locked as soon as moderator sees it.

I find it inappropriate, and I'm surprised moderators has taken no action against these numerous threads popping up

Also, when I mouse-over the link to this part of the forum, I see following message:

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Info
New to EVE? Use this forum to ask, or answer, questions about the game.


Please explain how the adverts fits in this category
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#2 - 2011-09-12 15:43:23 UTC

Just hit the 'report' flag and ask that it be moved to the appropriate forum.

Dum Spiro Spero
Ashgoz Kouvo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-09-12 15:43:58 UTC
Levarnu wrote:

If scam attempts was posted in ANY other section on the forum (probably apart from the trade forum) it would be locked as soon as moderator sees it.


I doubt that, you might want to look at Market Discussion, 90% of the threads are scams.
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-09-12 16:07:55 UTC
When ccp started offering plex as a buddy invite reward option they opened the door for the buuddy system to be abused way too easily. I agree that this forum needs to be for perople that are trying to help new players. Not people out to help themselves under the guise of helping the new members
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#5 - 2011-09-12 16:22:11 UTC
Scams are a way of life in EVE

I think the only spot where they don;t like scams are with character trades

The Drake is a Lie
Othran
Route One
#6 - 2011-09-12 16:58:28 UTC
Scams may be a way of life in Eve, but just like can flipping/baiting in the 12 newbie systems, they have no place in here.

You're not seeing scams anyway. What's happening is that existing players can get a PLEX (sells for 380mill or so) when a buddy trial signs up. They give 250mill to new subscriber and keep 130 themselves.

Adverts are likewise probably not a good idea in here but thats down to CCP staff.
Gregor Palter
#7 - 2011-09-12 17:07:38 UTC
Personally I don't care if it's a scam or not but it IS advertising a service, which shouldn't be allowed in this forum section.

Excuses are the refuge of the weak.

Levarnu
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-09-12 17:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Levarnu
Xercodo wrote:
Scams are a way of life in EVE

I think the only spot where they don;t like scams are with character trades


Whether it's a scam or not isn't the point. It's the advertising I object.

Also, I disagree. I believe New Citizens category is to the forums what the Help channel is to the ingame experience.
The help channel has pretty clear rules against advertising because it's supposed to be a friendly enviroment dedicated to providing and recieveing assistance, where players can participate without being covered in adverts and recruitment drives

I do not see the sense in not having similar rules apply here, where the basic principles are ought to be the same

EDIT
On another note, I've just noticed he is also highjacking threads in the Trial Citizens category: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=49275#post49275
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#9 - 2011-09-12 17:34:38 UTC
Well I see the logic there, just report them like the others mentioned and see what happens

The Drake is a Lie
Levarnu
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-09-13 05:31:50 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Well I see the logic there, just report them like the others mentioned and see what happens


I have done that already
Nothing happens...

That's why I'm asking why forum moderators are allowing this.
Gregor Palter
#11 - 2011-09-13 06:17:59 UTC
Levarnu wrote:
I have done that already
Nothing happens...

That's why I'm asking why forum moderators are allowing this.



Yup, same. I guess we'll have to post a whole lot of services for isk on this newbie forum (aimed at newbies, mind you). Lets see if those get to stay as well.

Excuses are the refuge of the weak.

CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2011-09-13 16:35:29 UTC
Since you guys are discussing this I thought it prudent to step in and give some insight as to why we are changing the way buddy invite threads work.

Firstly, we have a new sticky at the top of the forum which you can see here that is designed to keep all of these thread sin one location. many people see this as advertising, and I suppose that is true, but on the flip side it is an opportunity for a new player to get a leg up early on and allow them to absorb a few loses here and there while they explore EVE, make mistakes and learn from them.

As to why the thread is not stickied in Sell Orders, well this is the most suitable areas for new players to visit and be informed of the offers.
Gregor Palter
#13 - 2011-09-13 21:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Palter
CCP Navigator wrote:
Since you guys are discussing this I thought it prudent to step in and give some insight as to why we are changing the way buddy invite threads work.

Firstly, we have a new sticky at the top of the forum which you can see here that is designed to keep all of these thread sin one location. many people see this as advertising, and I suppose that is true, but on the flip side it is an opportunity for a new player to get a leg up early on and allow them to absorb a few loses here and there while they explore EVE, make mistakes and learn from them.

As to why the thread is not stickied in Sell Orders, well this is the most suitable areas for new players to visit and be informed of the offers.


I do smell the whiff of "double standard" here, how about allowing EVE-Uni to advertise in this forum section as they are focussed on helping newbies as well. Or perhaps Estel Arador's JC service? Can any other corps/initiatives/services aimed at new players (while not being a scam) be advertised there as well? Will you make a special sticky for those?

I guess at the very least you now channelled all this nonsense into one thread and put the "if you scam with this we'll kick your dog" on it. Still; double standards.


More importantly; it should be in the trial account forum section :)

Excuses are the refuge of the weak.

Sassums
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#14 - 2011-09-13 21:24:49 UTC
Gregor Palter wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
Since you guys are discussing this I thought it prudent to step in and give some insight as to why we are changing the way buddy invite threads work.

Firstly, we have a new sticky at the top of the forum which you can see here that is designed to keep all of these thread sin one location. many people see this as advertising, and I suppose that is true, but on the flip side it is an opportunity for a new player to get a leg up early on and allow them to absorb a few loses here and there while they explore EVE, make mistakes and learn from them.

As to why the thread is not stickied in Sell Orders, well this is the most suitable areas for new players to visit and be informed of the offers.


I do smell the whiff of "double standard" here, how about allowing EVE-Uni to advertise in this forum section as they are focussed on helping newbies as well. Or perhaps Estel Arador's JC service? Can any other corps/initiatives/services aimed at new players (while not being a scam) be advertised there as well? Will you make a special sticky for those?

I guess at the very least you now channelled all this nonsense into one thread and put the "if you scam with this we'll kick your dog" on it. Still; double standards.


More importantly; it should be in the trial account forum section :)


How about that is a double standard and should never be allowed. Certain corps are no better than the rest of us.
Gregor Palter
#15 - 2011-09-13 22:07:39 UTC
Sassums wrote:
How about that is a double standard and should never be allowed. Certain corps are no better than the rest of us.


If you read between the lines you'll find I ask the same question :)

Reality is ofcourse that from higher up it's decided that the buddy system is "awesome" and thus should be forced upon people, it's not like Navigator has a choice.

Excuses are the refuge of the weak.

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#16 - 2011-09-14 13:42:54 UTC
Gregor Palter wrote:
More importantly; it should be in the trial account forum section :)


This. It is stupid to allow this spam in here.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-09-14 16:06:30 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Since you guys are discussing this I thought it prudent to step in and give some insight as to why we are changing the way buddy invite threads work.

Firstly, we have a new sticky at the top of the forum which you can see here that is designed to keep all of these thread sin one location. many people see this as advertising, and I suppose that is true, but on the flip side it is an opportunity for a new player to get a leg up early on and allow them to absorb a few loses here and there while they explore EVE, make mistakes and learn from them.

As to why the thread is not stickied in Sell Orders, well this is the most suitable areas for new players to visit and be informed of the offers.


Thank you navigator. Exchanging a buddy invite for mentoring is a great idea, but not worthy of the spam we've been seeing. Keeping the posts into a single thread keeps things simple. The only issue is that the thread will have to be maintained in order to make sure that new players know who is still "in business" and who is not.