Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Interesting but I would say allowing it to fit a single frigate in the ship bay would have had more success in selling this ship to small gangs.

Just to illustrate my earlier concerns about prop mod align time, here's a table showing the align times and max. velocities of various [Hyperion] Nestor fits with and without skills. Align time for a double-plated, 100MN MWD Nestor will be somewhere in the 35.38 - 53.72 second range. Replace those plates with nanos and you get down to a low of 23.79s. Obviously, this impacts not only time to warp (since that's easily solved by turning off the MWD, and doesn't factor in terribly much on jump-in), but also maneuverability in combat. Note that even with these changes (and assuming no prop mod), the Nestor's agility is only middle-of-the-road for pirate battleships; the Vindicator, Machariel, and Barghest all align more quickly.

Basically, I'm worried that you get a ship that either tops out slower than an Archon, or turns slower than an Archon.

Between the price change, mass change and the fitting service, I feel like the Nestor is starting to look like a ship with a purpose of sorts... but why aren't you letting the ship bay hold a frigate? Is that overpowered somehow?

The nestor can rep x2.5 a guardian, the same as 1 cap rep on a triage archon. The issue with this is the cap, but a lot of people seem to be dismissing the ship maintenance bay as plain storage for Cap boosters.

perhaps grant it a 10% role bonus to laser damage or maybe a reduction in fitting
This way it doesnt end up being yet another laser boat, but gets to at least perform more of the mixed rolls plan
The RR capability is very good, one of them is always on the Jita undock for suspectbaiters so that doesnt need much to be touched.

As a prober its equal to all the other ships, perhaps round that up to the nearest 10s place so its different?

As a drone boat, its an inferior armor rattlesnake, more survivable domix without range, better armageddon with odd tank and extra hislot DPS, inferior to Ishtar, better Navy Vexor
So sort of middling not best not worst place. That is good.

As an explorations site runner - why? It has no discernable part to make it worthwhile over a t3 or covops. The sma helps some by acting as bulk storage room. Perhaps capitalize on that and make a wh drop that makes the nestor useful as you dont have to reship? But that would make it more known as the Nestor site than buffing the nestor

I really think CCP needs to figure out what they want this ship to be, specifically, and then make it that, rather than trying to make it do everything.

Bringing the mass down so it can fit into a C1 is useful-ish for WH gangs, since it would allow them to bring along a Nestor as logi even if they need to pass through a C1. However, this raises the stakes for C1 PvP, particularly POS defense, by quite a bit. While it was certainly possible to haul in the infrastructure and build a BS (or even dread/carrier) before, the ability to just take a nestor in means that C1 WHs are no longer as safe as they used to be for POSes that aren't "up to standards." A small fleet of Nestors can put out quite a bit more DPS than a similarly-sized fleet of anything else that can fit into a C1.

The Nestor also isn't any more useful for C1 PvE than existing ships, since those sites are dominated by frigs and cruisers that the Nestor will have trouble hitting.

Rather than reducing the mass to 20 (which, as already pointed out, causes problems for maneuverability under a MWD), would it be possible for the Nestor to have a role bonus of "can go through any wormhole"? Then you'd have to start worrying about mass limits on C1 holes, so taking a fleet into a C1 to explode a tower wouldn't be nearly as easy. Although, that might cause problems for the new frigate-only wormholes in Hyperion...then again, it might be exactly what people want for those frigate WHs. Frigate blob with nestor support.

Notwithstanding the WH role, the Nestor currently has quite a few roles. It's an armor Rattlesnake (sort of). It's a BS-sized logi with correspondingly larger rep potential. It's a BS-sized exploration boat that nobody wants or needs. It's an Orca that can't carry extra ships.

Personally, I'd like to see the BS-sized logi role moved to another, new class of ships, so they can focus on that role--and don't forget to have a shield one, too. Maybe give each race another BS which is basically an upsized version of the existing logi. Maybe T2, maybe not--advantage of T2 would be that you could just re-use existing models...Caldari could use the Rokh model, Gallente could use the Hyperion model, etc.

Then, make the Nestor into just the armor rattlesnake, with a damage bonus to guns. Maybe move the SMA onto the BS logi ships, or keep it on the Nestor, either way is fine. Give the Nestor a role bonus to range of data/relic analyzers, and the ability to loot data/relic analyzers from much farther away.

That way, the Nestor will fit better into the SoE ship line and actually be useful at data/relic sites.

It's big enough to fit a shuttle, for what it's worth.

Carefull about the pitfall of anecdotal evidence (and simulations), with a prop mod on a harpy we are talking about just a 2s difference with perfect skills, who is more likely to have maneuvering skills high, the bs or the frig pilot, is up for discussion, possibly reducing the margin further...

However it does not need a math degree to expect that if a prop mod more than triples the ships mass its likely to have hilarious consequences. :)

Oops, for a second there I thought the Nestor was going to be semi OP. Buff Nestor.

It still needs a cloak bonus of some kind. Even if you have to take some other kind of bonus away or nerf it somehow.

I didn't say access to covops cloaks. Just a useful, powerful cloak bonus of some kind.

It has always needed a cloak bonus of some kind.