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Isnt NCN short for Nation Consolidation Network?

Can't say I'm a fan of the increased ISK that this will likely generate.

The incursions were so routine and easy, it was incredible how much ISK can already be generated. The only real competition was waiting your turn to get into a clockwork fleet.

"If anyone was worried about Incursions, they are not really a problem as such. [...] They are not causing anything to be out of proportion." - CCP DrEyjoG, Fanfest 2014

Missions, Incursions and FW pay out LP, which is the second-largest ISK sink in the game. Until the ESS, nullsec bounties only paid out in ISK. So, not only are nullsec anomalies the greatest single ISK injector into the game, they are the only one that doesn't automatically apportion its rewards to an ISK sink that also happens to depend on the player market to generate any wealth (from other players, that is).

If Incursion runners are getting their wealth from cashing out the CONCORD LPs, they're getting rich off of the players who buy what the Incursion runners sell. That is a net sink, from the LP store, and a net increase in the velocity of ISK (by player -> player transactions) which is counterinflationary.

It's not accidental that the ESS is a nullsec exclusive.

It's nothing to do with ISK sinks. It's about how wealthy a player gets off running incursions and how that effects rest of the game.

I have spoken to many corporations in wormhole space who say they are seeing some of their members turning to incursions to plex their accounts. As you pretty much have to be 100% dedicated to live in wormhole space within a PVP corp, these members end up leaving wormholes to run incursions or simply leave the game all together because they are tired of the grind.

High value incursions should not be in the safest part of space as is completely goes against the risk vs reward balance. It's a dumb mechanic with dumb lore behind it.

Edit:


This proves my point.

Not too mention that WH's don't currently have the ISK potential that they once did, so it makes sense for people to go grind incursions to pay the ever-rising price of Plex.

*affects



I never understood people who go to wormholes to grind ISK. The logistics are terrible, unless you're in a C1, and then the ISK isn't so great. No wonder they leave the game. I can tell you right now that that was never why I was in J-space. I was in J-space primarily because people I like were there, but it didn't hurt that it was unpredictable, interesting and profitable enough to keep me in ships.

If I ever decide to run Incursions, they'll be the low sec ones, because that will be kind of like running sites in a wormhole: not bad for EVE PVE, and somebody might show up to make it more interesting. If the group is chill and funny I might even stick around.

Seriously, EVE is not a game about burning yourself out doing something you hate. For the cost of a pizza, you can get yourself a whole bunch of ISK whenever you want it; failing that, there are a lot of ways to earn it in game. No matter what you do there will be some tedium involved, but you have to at least be able to tell yourself that it's a necessary part of doing something you want to do.

You can pick any part of the game with a NPC-bestowed award, and it will be less profitable than station trading. So is your argument that everyone should be station trading? No, that's silly.

You have your spelling nailed but it doesn't look like you can read very well... My point was clear; the risk/reward of high sec incursions is driving people out of the part of space that rely on those very people for "content".



*Counter-inflationary (i can be a prick too)

err... I don't under... i can't... what the **** are you talking about dude?

I don't think you really understand how this game works. I don't really want to waste my time in here anymore explaining to people how, if it is safer and easier to make isk in concord patrolled high sec, other parts of the game will suffer.

I have to put 6+ billion isk on the field in our wormhole before I can compete with incursion levels of income and at any point, someone can come and destroy it all without worrying about CONCORD swooping in to save the day... if you can't understand why some people choose to take the easy option (incursions) and how that is bad for the game, there's no point talking to you.

Goodbye o/

Big fan of the changes, and highsec incursions are definitely one of the success stories of Eve. The fact that less than 1% of Eve players logged in at any given time are running highsec incursions strongly indicates that the risk/reward balance is perfectly fine. In the future I would love to see some new sites, and perhaps a more difficult MOM site to prevent some of the ragepopping.

"Not too mention that WH's don't currently have the ISK potential that they once did, so it makes sense for people to go grind incursions to pay the ever-rising price of Plex. "


Interesting to me would be -why- Plex prices (in ISK) are 'ever-rising'.
Logic would dictate that ISK is simply becoming less valuable.

A plex costs roughly the same to purchase IRL (aside from exchange rate fluctuations and the occasional promotion).

So either RL currency is inflating in worth or ISK is deflating.
Seeing as how the almighty crisis has left many a man and woman jobless, wages are cutthroat and employee benefits are non-existent one might speculate RL currency has risen in value. This would make a Plex more valuable.

ISK printing (incursions) would also make a Plex more valuable in terms of ISK worth, obviously. As it becomes more easy for someone to grind/farm ISK it stands to reason the price of a Plex would rise proportionally to compensate for supply/demand.
More people thinking they can sub with plex leads to less supply and obviously the sellers of Plex's want their money's worth too.

For me it's simple, I value time. I value enjoyment. I play EVE for enjoyment. I do not enjoy grinding ISK. I enjoy the social (PVP, corp, alliance, etc) aspect of EVE.

How much time does it cost me to grind for a plex in-game?
How much time does it cost me to work IRL to pay for a plex?

If the second is reasonably lower than the first, to me it makes more sense to just buy plex IRL and convert to ISK to pay for my pvp needs. the second option becomes even more appealing when you realize that your 'grinding'/working time is actually spent contributing to something in RL society, instead of just increasing a fictional wallet in a game.


Luckily though plenty of people rather spend hours and days a month grinding for ISK to sub their account(s) using plex so I get more worth out of my hard-earned euro's.