EVE General Discussion

Erm what about all the people who won't get a potential return on all the isk invested to gain 100s of tokens for there mini bonks and blasts is that part of the sensible closure???
Could have waited till the end of the party now people invested tones for nothing ...

CCP didn't tell Somer to close down, Somer did that on their own. Blame them.

I realise that CCP will focus on the revenu aspects of this as well. It's a business, and ever since CCP's management moved away from the actual dynamic that's become a growing factor. With good consequences, but also with .. less than optimal consequences.

As was said elsewhere on another forum, for players that Somer correspondence would have been clear right off the bat. For CCP who focuses on the commercial aspects, not. And it's a grey area with legal ramifications as well.

But I hope that this is one situation where CSM does not let CCP simply close the door on that (in terms of what you will be allowed to talk about) for a very simple reason: CCP's integrity is directly related to their perception. We saw that once when a certain someone said CCP would look at what players do, and not what they say. The reverse holds true as well, especially when taking into account that this is not the first time this situation has crashed the proverbial table.

Let's not forget that when push comes to shove Somer was an ideal instrument for something like Markee Dragon to get a hold of their EVE market. The stamp of legitimisation. Problem is, where it comes to the trust relation customers will need to see more than just the Somer angle to affirm that relation. It's been a huge factor in the past, time and time again. It still is.

This really is a case where the standard routine of "feedback instrument so stick to in game stuff" doesn't cut it, but CCP does have a bit of a history of not realising how an iron curtain there in these kinds of circumstances hurts them in the long run.

Not blaming anyone. just wanted to know the plan if any for the reinbersment of isk that was put in by many to gain tokens to win prizes that won't be dished out that all
Keep calm eat bacon.

ISK balance including any tickets purchased on the recent bonk has/will be refunded but doesn't look like there is any form of reimbursement for tokens which would be a bit hard to calculate against future potential winnings heh.

EDIT: Actually based on some rough maths (and based on my promo winning amount/ratio/percentages) I guess they* could refund them at approx 19K ISK per token :S (assuming I'm somewhat representative of the average and my maths is half right).


* As in Somer not CPP.

double post derp

*blames forums*

What would you like to see happen, ideally?

I do not really understand that epic hissy.

Somer offered a promotion, that he would buy your ingame plex, if you buy timecode from him. This code is full legal, since he is an official reseller. This is an out of game code. When Somer buys the plex from you it could be come from this code, or from another plex, but all of the plexes are come from out of the game.
At the start of the promotion plex was 788M, he offered a 800M buy for it. There was nothing written about if it will be rising, if plex's price will be rising. And he offered to buy plex from you, not give you ingame plex (for real money).

After that will I be banned if I tell to a friend in the bar: "if you buy me a nice honeybeer i will buy your drake for a better price then the market's price"? Or just if i talk about this on a website? Or just if it is about plex? Or just if it is a code what you can claim as a plex?
Giving free playable ISK was another story - it was much more RMT-like. But I don't think this is it. Especially until it did not start, none of you are able to tell it is or not, couse until it is just "maybe", or "could be", or "sounds like".
Yeah, I can't quote the EULA, but i have to say, since I work in the law-system, you cannot do with this anything from the side of the law.

Since everything is owned by CCP he can say "this is too good, there is a hole in our EULA or in the law". Sure he can. But start this blame-war is just simply stupid, and it seems that if you have a good idea, we will wait what the community say, and tear you apart if they go to rage. I simply can't imagine that the "buy plex for bonus somer-credit" never came to the sight of CCP, until that big hissy started at the end...

Because in exchange for you buying a PLEX code from Markee Dragon with Somer's referral code, he'll buy the PLEX from you at above market rates. So basically, you give him money (through a middleman) and he gives you ISK (by buying a PLEX at a higher price)

I believe that Somer is not an official re-seller, but rather was using an affiliate link through an official re-seller (Markee Dragon) in which they received a cut for being a referral. That being said, the proposal that they had given stated specifically:



The problem was, they were offering additional incentive to do this deal (in the form of buying the PLEX codes at above market costs).

The other thing I wonder is (and I haven't seen) did Somer ONLY accept codes purchased from Markee Dragon, or would any PLEX code purchase suffice? Was a list of PLEX codes sold via Somer's referral link kept and only those codes could be redeemed on their site.

EDIT: Removed a speculative sentence.