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Scottish vote

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reamorph
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2014-08-19 16:06:21 UTC
so nearly time for "the" vote any opinions?
Not worried where your from just interested is all
and for the record record I'm Scottish and a definite yes for freedom Big smile
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-08-19 16:54:18 UTC
relevant

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3 - 2014-08-19 18:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
If Scotland votes yes then does that mean that England won't have to put up with people like Tony Blair and Gordon Brown any more?

Those 2 were Scotlands revenge for 300+ years of English rule P

Personally I feel that (what's left of) the UK, and Scotland, will be worse off if Scotland secedes from the union, united we stand and divided we fall etc.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#4 - 2014-08-19 18:29:27 UTC
Freedom and independence is great and all. Especially when 3/5 of Scottish nuclear power stations belong to the British government and the remaining two belong to France.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-08-20 01:17:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Own Currency sorted ?
Own Head of State sorted ?

What level of taxation do you think will be needed to support :
- Education
- Health
- Welfare
- Border Controls


Because remember, freedom from the UK means going it alone.
You want Independence, don't expect the English, Welsh & N.I citizens to foot the bills because that's NOT independence.


On the plus side there will be fewer seats needed in Parliament ...
Sure your politicians can sit in the viewing area, but they will be foreign nationals and therefore get no vote on matters regarding UK law/policy.



I'm pretty sure a lot of people haven't really considered this side of Scottish independence very much at all.




Ditto to the Welsh .. as they state this desire quite frequently too.
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
#6 - 2014-08-20 02:44:19 UTC
Hmmm... depends. How will this affect single malt production?

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Xtreem
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-08-20 09:36:10 UTC
Scotland and England are stronger together than apart, perhaps further devolution to make both sides happy.

Scotland in terms of population and GDP would make it go from a strong UK to a 'small' economy while Britain would not suffer too much of an impact.

I think it's a case of it's not broke, don't fix it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2014-08-20 09:46:43 UTC
I think you guys would be better off seceding from the EU instead.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2014-08-20 09:47:00 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
Scotland and England are stronger together than apart, perhaps further devolution to make both sides happy.

Scotland in terms of population and GDP would make it go from a strong UK to a 'small' economy while Britain would not suffer too much of an impact.

I think it's a case of it's not broke, don't fix it.
Agreed. It's about time England got it's own Parliament though, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales have their own as well as representation in Westminster, whereas England is stuck with just Westminster.

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Adunh Slavy
#10 - 2014-08-20 11:37:31 UTC
If the Scots go independent, but then turn around and join the EU, that would be a huge blunder.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-08-20 11:48:32 UTC
reamorph wrote:
so nearly time for "the" vote any opinions?
Not worried where your from just interested is all
and for the record record I'm Scottish and a definite yes for freedom Big smile


Freedom of what? And what vote? Shocked

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#12 - 2014-08-20 13:33:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I think you guys would be better off seceding from the EU instead.

No troll, Brussels does not have your best interest at heart, at all.
Tell me about it, the European Parliament, and MEPs, are amongst the most wasteful people on the planet, and corrupt to boot.

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
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#13 - 2014-08-20 14:07:05 UTC
meh

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#14 - 2014-08-20 14:07:57 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I think you guys would be better off seceding from the EU instead.

No troll, Brussels does not have your best interest at heart, at all.



Much better idea

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#15 - 2014-08-20 14:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
They will still be englishmans with funny accent to me, no matter the voting results. Great Britain and England were always synonyms in my brain.
Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
#16 - 2014-08-20 17:26:44 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
If the Scots go independent, but then turn around and join the EU, that would be a huge blunder.


That's exactly the plan though. Join the EU, with 6 MEPs out of 750, so Scotland can have a Scottish foreign policy (as long as it doesn't conflict with the EU common foreign policy). The recent election of the EU Commissioner is significant in this respect - he was chosen by the EU Parliament, rather than what happened in the past, which was an agreement among representatives from the member states. When there are agreements between say, EU foreign ministers, then Scotland would be 1 voice out of ~30. When the decision is by the EU Parliament, then Scotland is 6 voices out of 750, or in practical terms, less than 6, because there are likely to only ever be 2 or 3 MEPs from whichever party is in power in Scotland. 2 out of 750 is... difficult to suggest changes to the Scotland-EU relationship - things like the common agricultural policy, common fisheries policy, and so on. There are rumours about eventual direct taxation by the EU Parliament, rather than the money going to national governments and then to the EU. It would not be surprising if the much talked about oil revenue of Scotland ends up being expended on reforming the economies of the problem areas in the EU.
But that's the policy that is being promoted by the pro-independence campaign.


Cynter DeVries wrote:
Hmmm... depends. How will this affect single malt production?


Prices would probably go up. As it turns out, and this is something I myself didn't know until a few weeks ago when it was in the news, but a lot of Scottish distilleries import their grain from farms in England - these farms are specialist grain producers for distilleries and breweries across the UK and in some cases abroad. Throwing up a customs/tax border between the distilleries and their suppliers is only going to cause difficulties. Throw in such things as how trade missions by embassies work - one of the perpetual concerns from Scottish distilleries to the UK diplomatic service was how to get various foreign countries to lower import taxes on Scottish whisky - that would no longer be a UK diplomatic service concern.
So, I think it is likely whisky would become more expensive in many places in the world - it's also unlikely to become cheaper in Scotland, because of the minimum unit pricing on alcohol policy.

Just the facts.

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#17 - 2014-08-20 19:12:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Until when? Wheeennn??

I totally sympatize. Blink

(But dudes, going alone it's completely stupid in this world and age)
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#18 - 2014-08-20 20:18:16 UTC
what's going to happen to that beautiful flag? all the blue will have to be taken out.
Marsha Mallow
#19 - 2014-08-20 21:55:55 UTC
I'd say "yes", but only if you take Yorkshire with you Blink

I suspect the result will be "no" for economic reasons. That might not be a complete loss because the vote is rooted in the desire for self governance and the ability to control internal spending/taxation. Scotland has (and will retain) a unique cultural identity within the UK regardless of the vote result. Control of the purse strings might be the consolation prize if the result is "no" but without all the hassle of separation.

I'm rooting for "yes", personally, however economically and politically irrational. Family in Scotland are not. If it hurts the UK, well... that's an overdue bill. We've exploited and supressed an awful lot of people for economic gain, and there's something perversely pleasing about a diplomatic wrangle to rectify it. As opposed to some of the more painful conflicts.

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Rittel
Band of Valence
#20 - 2014-08-20 23:44:49 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
I'd say "yes", but only if you take Yorkshire with you Blink


As a Yorkshireman - no thanks. I'd rather stick with England for now.

I do rather hate what the independence 'discussions' have become, from my point of view its mostly the SNP either coming out with overly optimistic plan and when anyone points out flaws it becomes 'anti-scottish'. Don't get me wrong the pro-union side have taken the wrong approach a number of times as well but the SNP approach to me sounds dodgy to say the least.

I hope Scotland chooses to stay it will be a loss if you guy go but its your choice - just don't act all surprised when Salmond doesn't get his way.

Wish we would also stop this rubbish about England / UK / the British Empire being evil and doing nothing but nasty deeds as we marched for global domination. It's utter rubbish - there were horrors committed but, and I know this is difficult to accept, the empire did a huge amount of good too.
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