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Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

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K1ng Splurge
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#821 - 2014-08-20 08:57:57 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Brahan Seer wrote:
a long post


It's a pity you didn't bother to read the first dozen or so pages of this thread, because if you had, you could have saved yourself the effort of writing this horribly ignorant post.

Somer hung himself by trying to engage in RMT for the second time. End of story.


Surely if its a second time, everyone who now took part should also be banned if Somer does?

If somer gets banned due to RMT, he is the seller, surely the buyers should be banned as well otherwise what gives?
K1ng Splurge
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#822 - 2014-08-20 09:00:09 UTC
KaRa DaVuT wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
KaRa DaVuT wrote:
So, all of a sudden somer closes its doors, and Its ok?

I mean He acted against EULA and what willh appen? He will walk out of the door?

Really?

I don't think anyone is saying that. At least, not anyone that wanted this to happen in the first place.

It does rather bother me that Somer's accounts aren't locked pending investigation, though.


Thats the thing bothers me too.

I mean think that what will happen If ever someone claimed that someone is RMT'ing..

THey will immediately frozen the account and start investigate..

In this case guy walks out of the door. I mean I dont what them to hang the guy but seriously.. Do something to show that you are not dropping the ball on this and show us that he will get the penalty of his actions...

I really demand justice. I ( and every other capsuleer in New Eden) wants to see that CCP is treating everyone equally on these kind of incidents. nothing else.. I demand an act of trust...


I love how everyone is demanding justice!!!

Justice to you idiots would be Somer being banned, in turn banning every user who took part in Somerblink for bonus rewards and or "the new plex system" basically crippling eve online because 50% of users in eve played blink at some point.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#823 - 2014-08-20 09:02:55 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
That would be fine, provided the crowd didn't kill you first based on circumstantial assumption, bias, and the fact that they just never liked you to begin with.


If the EVE community actually kills me, then you've got a point. Otherwise? No. Because I remain able to make my case.

And if they do kill me? Then I have nothing to worry about anymore, do I?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#824 - 2014-08-20 09:04:46 UTC
K1ng Splurge wrote:
I love how everyone is demanding justice!!!

Justice to you idiots would be Somer being banned, in turn banning every user who took part in Somerblink for bonus rewards and or "the new plex system" basically crippling eve online because 50% of users in eve played blink at some point.


Last I remember hearing, CCP's policy towards ISK buyers is to remove the ISK and warn them on the first event.

ISK sellers are the only ones who get the instant perma-banhammer.


Also, Blink advertised the RMT scheme as CCP approved. That lie from a formerly reputable source reduces the level of responsibility the buyers have.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
KaRa DaVuT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#825 - 2014-08-20 09:06:51 UTC  |  Edited by: KaRa DaVuT
K1ng Splurge wrote:


I love how everyone is demanding justice!!!

Justice to you idiots would be Somer being banned, in turn banning every user who took part in Somerblink for bonus rewards and or "the new plex system" basically crippling eve online because 50% of users in eve played blink at some point.



justice (noun)

1. the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness:
"to uphold the justice of a cause."

2. rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; justness of ground or reason:
"to complain with justice".

3. the moral principle determining just conduct.

4. conformity to this principle, as manifested in conduct; just conduct, dealing, or treatment.

5. the administering of deserved punishment or reward.

6. the maintenance or administration of what is just by law, as by judicial or other proceedings:
"a court of justice."

7. judgment of persons or causes by judicial process:
"to administer justice in a community."

PS: For your consideration, I used the 5th and 7th meanings when I was referring the "justice".

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#826 - 2014-08-20 09:06:54 UTC
K1ng Splurge wrote:
Justice to you idiots would be Somer being banned, in turn banning every user who took part in Somerblink for bonus rewards and or "the new plex system" basically crippling eve online because 50% of users in eve played blink at some point.

Banning people who used Blink or their credit system would be ******* absurd and nobody of note is advocating this.
It also doesn't logically follow from banning Somer.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#827 - 2014-08-20 09:07:43 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
K1ng Splurge wrote:
I love how everyone is demanding justice!!!

Justice to you idiots would be Somer being banned, in turn banning every user who took part in Somerblink for bonus rewards and or "the new plex system" basically crippling eve online because 50% of users in eve played blink at some point.


Last I remember hearing, CCP's policy towards ISK buyers is to remove the ISK and warn them on the first event.

ISK sellers are the only ones who get the instant perma-banhammer.


Also, Blink advertised the RMT scheme as CCP approved. That lie from a formerly reputable source reduces the level of responsibility the buyers have.

Somer did advertise it as CCP approved, but that seems to have been confirmed by Falcon's comment regarding Somer's actions not being in line with the proposal. What isn't known is exactly what CCP approved.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#828 - 2014-08-20 09:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
RubyPorto wrote:
K1ng Splurge wrote:
I love how everyone is demanding justice!!!

Justice to you idiots would be Somer being banned, in turn banning every user who took part in Somerblink for bonus rewards and or "the new plex system" basically crippling eve online because 50% of users in eve played blink at some point.


Last I remember hearing, CCP's policy towards ISK buyers is to remove the ISK and warn them on the first event.

Actually now it's a removal of the ISK and a 7 day ban.

RubyPorto wrote:
Also, Blink advertised the RMT scheme as CCP approved. That lie from a formerly reputable source reduces the level of responsibility the buyers have.

Which leads me to suggest that they should be lenient towards those who used it. Warnings perhaps, but no isk removal (that would be a ridiculous mess) and no bans.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#829 - 2014-08-20 09:09:37 UTC
K1ng Splurge wrote:
I love how everyone is demanding justice!!!

Justice to you idiots would be Somer being banned, in turn banning every user who took part in Somerblink for bonus rewards and or "the new plex system" basically crippling eve online because 50% of users in eve played blink at some point.




No it wouldn't, because CCP has tacitly endorsed SOMERblink enough times in the past that those who took part in that would assume that it's alright. But Somerset Mahm and potentially his staff (at least his attack dog Andrev) should face the appropriate punishments.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
K1ng Splurge
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#830 - 2014-08-20 09:10:37 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Last I remember hearing, CCP's policy towards ISK buyers is to remove the ISK and warn them on the first event.


They will be removing alot of isk from many accounts should their investigation turn out to be a RMT, fair enough?
Also, assuming we done it multiple times, does it count as a first offense or multiple offenses?
So again, multiple PLEX purchases for bonus or "new scheme" would be bannable.

RubyPorto wrote:
ISK sellers are the only ones who get the instant perma-banhammer.

Hardly seems fair but valid and i don't disagree with this.


RubyPorto wrote:
Also, Blink advertised the RMT scheme as CCP approved. That lie from a formerly reputable source reduces the level of responsibility the buyers have.

Everyone is going by the assumption that somer's mails he advertised on the site aren't legit, should they turn out to be accurate and true and the intent behind the new RMT scheme was legit, who then takes the blame?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#831 - 2014-08-20 09:12:09 UTC
K1ng Splurge wrote:
I love how everyone is demanding justice!!!

Justice to you idiots would be Somer being banned, in turn banning every user who took part in Somerblink for bonus rewards and or "the new plex system" basically crippling eve online because 50% of users in eve played blink at some point.


Considering that Somer was told to knock it off and allowed to continue operating a year ago - and was then given free goodies - I think that the players who used his service can (and should) be considered to have a reasonable expectation of the very approval Somer claims to have gotten from CCP. The fact that CCP's approval was for a markedly different transaction structure can't be held against the players, because as per the Terms of Service, Somer wasn't allowed to reveal the contents of his communication with any CCP representatives without their express approval (which, obviously, he had no motive to get).

And, if you'll look, it appears the only one calling for your head (and those of everyone else who functioned as Somer's unwitting pawns in this)... is you.
K1ng Splurge
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#832 - 2014-08-20 09:12:28 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Also, Blink advertised the RMT scheme as CCP approved. That lie from a formerly reputable source reduces the level of responsibility the buyers have.

Which leads me to suggest that they should be lenient towards those who used it. Warnings perhaps, but no isk removal (that would be a ridiculous mess) and no bans.[/quote]

But how is that fair towards Somer? I thought CCP was fair and just in their pursuit in RMT?

Surely banning somer or the punishment should be equal to those who took part?

You basically saying, its ok if we all beat someone to death but only he who actually lays the final blow counts for punishment?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#833 - 2014-08-20 09:14:15 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Actually now it's a removal of the ISK and a 7 day ban.

Ah, new policy.

[quote]Which leads me to suggest that they should be lenient towards those who used it. Warnings perhaps, but no isk removal (that would be a ridiculous mess) and no bans.


Exactly. Though, if they can remove the extra ISK conveniently, why not.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Arrendis
TK Corp
#834 - 2014-08-20 09:14:17 UTC
K1ng Splurge wrote:
Everyone is going by the assumption that somer's mails he advertised on the site aren't legit, should they turn out to be accurate and true and the intent behind the new RMT scheme was legit, who then takes the blame?


Actually, everyone's operating on the premise that Somer's mails are 100% legit, and then analyzing those mails. Doing so shows that he used very deliberate phrasing to present one thing, and then used the approval of that process to implement a similar, but markedly different process which was not approved.
Jommis
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#835 - 2014-08-20 09:14:34 UTC
Major JSilva wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
I think CCP needs to be completely transparent with this investigation. The old ideology of Player-CCP only should be removed when involving RMT, Exploiting, Cheating, and severe cases of harassment.

Investigations in progress should never be transparent until they're finished and all the facts known. It can corrupt the information being looked at and affect its credibility.



It's not a murder case.
They broke the rules.

Ban them..
KaRa DaVuT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#836 - 2014-08-20 09:14:43 UTC
K1ng Splurge wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Last I remember hearing, CCP's policy towards ISK buyers is to remove the ISK and warn them on the first event.


They will be removing alot of isk from many accounts should their investigation turn out to be a RMT, fair enough?
Also, assuming we done it multiple times, does it count as a first offense or multiple offenses?
So again, multiple PLEX purchases for bonus or "new scheme" would be bannable.

RubyPorto wrote:
ISK sellers are the only ones who get the instant perma-banhammer.

Hardly seems fair but valid and i don't disagree with this.


RubyPorto wrote:
Also, Blink advertised the RMT scheme as CCP approved. That lie from a formerly reputable source reduces the level of responsibility the buyers have.

Everyone is going by the assumption that somer's mails he advertised on the site aren't legit, should they turn out to be accurate and true and the intent behind the new RMT scheme was legit, who then takes the blame?



Well If you did not do anything against the rules, you should not have have anything to worry about.

BUT

If you made anything against the rules, then my friend you also deserve some "justice".

It is simple is that. If you only played blinks bongs etc. whatever the thing that is, and did not do anything wrong, then there is noting to be afraid of.

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#837 - 2014-08-20 09:15:26 UTC
K1ng Splurge wrote:
But how is that fair towards Somer? I thought CCP was fair and just in their pursuit in RMT?

Surely banning somer or the punishment should be equal to those who took part?

You basically saying, its ok if we all beat someone to death but only he who actually lays the final blow counts for punishment?


"the people who took part in this by taking advantage of the bonus shouldn't be banned because it'd be unfair but here's why they should be banned to make it fair"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Arrendis
TK Corp
#838 - 2014-08-20 09:16:20 UTC
K1ng Splurge wrote:
Surely banning somer or the punishment should be equal to those who took part?


Those who acted in good faith, with a reasonable assumption of good faith and legitimacy on the part of the other party, should not face the same punishment as the individual who acted in bad faith and tricked others into breaking the rules, no.
KaRa DaVuT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#839 - 2014-08-20 09:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: KaRa DaVuT
K1ng Splurge wrote:


You basically saying, its ok if we all beat someone to death but only he who actually lays the final blow counts for punishment?


Well I for one not saying that, I even trying to say exactly the opposite.

Who is responsible from this should be punished or penalized.

CCP VP's or Somer lower staff whatever. But everyone who is invovled should be penalized in order to prevent this ever happen again.

Look this is not just a simple RMT thing OK. They try to show this that way, and they try to make this get cooler. But there is more invovement that they explained. They just want this to be cool down in order to save themselves.

I jsut want whoever is responsible, then it should be deeply investigated with a non-biased investigators including neutral people, trustworthy people.

I am advocating this.

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
K1ng Splurge
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#840 - 2014-08-20 09:17:43 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
And, if you'll look, it appears the only one calling for your head (and those of everyone else who functioned as Somer's unwitting pawns in this)... is you.



“It is better to risk saving a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one.”