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Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

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Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#661 - 2014-08-20 03:12:35 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
n the same respect however, we believe that the promotion that caused this issue was not representative of the original proposal that was brought to CCP.

Spin spin spin spin spin. You make me sad, CCP. He stuck his **** so far up your ass that you couldn't see straight. Now let's watch the PLEX market unravel.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#662 - 2014-08-20 03:13:46 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
the mittani sends his regards


I KNEW it!

grr goons.. and all that.. ^^
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#663 - 2014-08-20 03:13:57 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
Let's be realistic, regardless of what the CCP verdict was on this case, SOMER was never going to be allowed to survive. The community demanded their pound of flesh, and that's what they got. Although some won't be happy until people have been burnt at the stake.


Sadly seems to be a fair amount of "can't manage to become a success so can't stand to see others become a success" behind a good bit of the attacking of somer, don't really know enough about what somer does behind the scenes as to whether they were in the wrong or not or brought it on themselves or not but have noticed the efforts some have gone to in an effort to bring somer down with poorly hidden agendas of their own.

If you don't know enough about what SOMER did to have so many people upset then perhaps you should read through the thread and find out before accusing those in it of having nefarious agendas.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#664 - 2014-08-20 03:15:11 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
Let's be realistic, regardless of what the CCP verdict was on this case, SOMER was never going to be allowed to survive. The community demanded their pound of flesh, and that's what they got. Although some won't be happy until people have been burnt at the stake.


People who played his lotteries would have continued to do so. Somer would have had to come up with a different way of monetizing his site, and even if it makes millions it's fine as long as it doesn't involve anything that remotely resembles a conversion of ISK to real money.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#665 - 2014-08-20 03:16:41 UTC
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
n the same respect however, we believe that the promotion that caused this issue was not representative of the original proposal that was brought to CCP.

Spin spin spin spin spin. You make me sad, CCP. He stuck his **** so far up your ass that you couldn't see straight. Now let's watch the PLEX market unravel.

Besides being incredibly inappropriate, all I see in your comment is a quote of a reasonable statement supported by SOMER's own document and declaring it to be "spin". In what way is Falcon twisting or mincing words in that comment?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#666 - 2014-08-20 03:21:25 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
Let's be realistic, regardless of what the CCP verdict was on this case, SOMER was never going to be allowed to survive. The community demanded their pound of flesh, and that's what they got. Although some won't be happy until people have been burnt at the stake.


Sadly seems to be a fair amount of "can't manage to become a success so can't stand to see others become a success" behind a good bit of the attacking of somer, don't really know enough about what somer does behind the scenes as to whether they were in the wrong or not or brought it on themselves or not but have noticed the efforts some have gone to in an effort to bring somer down with poorly hidden agendas of their own.


http://i.imgur.com/SVUG3HM.jpg

There's been very little complaint in this thread about Somer's legitimate dealings (ISK gambling, whatever shills they might/might not have, etc) and the only reason Blink is down right now is because Somer chose to shut it down.

Blink doesn't run anywhere near afoul of the EULA. It's the affiliate RMT scheme that did after the last one had quite definitively been shut down.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#667 - 2014-08-20 03:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Derrick Miles wrote:

If you don't know enough about what SOMER did to have so many people upset then perhaps you should read through the thread and find out before accusing those in it of having nefarious agendas.


I understand the basics of it I just don't have enough (factual) information to know/care if what somer is doing is "legal", meanwhile some of the biggest sources of anti-somer sentiment are easier to break down the motives behind what they are doing which are more often that not regardless of whether somer should or shouldn't be operating (EDIT: or in regard to post above methods of operating) far from orientating in any real concerns as to whether what somer is doing is wrong or not.

I'm actually sad if people believe that its largely altruistic concerns behind the larger amount of efforts to have somer closed down.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#668 - 2014-08-20 03:27:42 UTC
Rroff wrote:
I understand the basics of it I just don't have enough (factual) information to know/care if what somer is doing is "legal", meanwhile some of the biggest sources of anti-somer sentiment are easier to break down the motives behind what they are doing which are more often that not regardless of whether somer should or shouldn't be operating (EDIT: or in regard to post above methods of operating) far from orientating in any real concerns as to whether what somer is doing is wrong or not.


If you're trying to figure out the "motive" you'll only be sorely disappointed. EVE players don't like it when another player presumes to be above the rules. The outrage was entirely justified IMO.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Sion Kumitomo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#669 - 2014-08-20 03:27:52 UTC
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
n the same respect however, we believe that the promotion that caused this issue was not representative of the original proposal that was brought to CCP.

Spin spin spin spin spin. You make me sad, CCP. He stuck his **** so far up your ass that you couldn't see straight. Now let's watch the PLEX market unravel.


Not to be impolite, but are you stupid? Falcon is being more polite here than I would be because Somer's proposal that he gave CCP isn't actually what he did. Go read the document Somer sent them. Pay particular attention to the "no bonus isk" bit and the subtle weasely last line that betrays his actual intent.

It's not spin, it's reading comprehension. Come back when you get some.

On twitter @siggonK

Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#670 - 2014-08-20 03:27:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
People who played his lotteries would have continued to do so. Somer would have had to come up with a different way of monetizing his site, and even if it makes millions it's fine as long as it doesn't involve anything that remotely resembles a conversion of ISK to real money.

At only 1000-2000 users per day this would never happen, they only thing he had to monetize was gobs of isk

.

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#671 - 2014-08-20 03:30:51 UTC
Andski wrote:

If you're trying to figure out the "motive" you'll only be sorely disappointed. EVE players don't like it when another player presumes to be above the rules. The outrage was entirely justified IMO.


Not trying to figure out the motives.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#672 - 2014-08-20 03:30:52 UTC
Cherry Yeyo wrote:
Andski wrote:
People who played his lotteries would have continued to do so. Somer would have had to come up with a different way of monetizing his site, and even if it makes millions it's fine as long as it doesn't involve anything that remotely resembles a conversion of ISK to real money.

At only 1000-2000 users per day this would never happen, they only thing he had to monetize was gobs of isk


I'm not suggesting it would make millions, I'm saying that it doesn't matter how successful he is at monetizing his site as long as it doesn't hint of RMT.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Dolly Darko
State War Academy
Caldari State
#673 - 2014-08-20 03:33:14 UTC
I wanted to thank CCP actually. I enjoy two things in EVE, Wormholes and Blink. You are ruining both. Thanks.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#674 - 2014-08-20 03:36:08 UTC
Sion Kumitomo wrote:
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
n the same respect however, we believe that the promotion that caused this issue was not representative of the original proposal that was brought to CCP.

Spin spin spin spin spin. You make me sad, CCP. He stuck his **** so far up your ass that you couldn't see straight. Now let's watch the PLEX market unravel.


Not to be impolite, but are you stupid? Falcon is being more polite here than I would be because Somer's proposal that he gave CCP isn't actually what he did. Go read the document Somer sent them. Pay particular attention to the "no bonus isk" bit and the subtle weasely last line that betrays his actual intent.

It's not spin, it's reading comprehension. Come back when you get some.

To play devil's advocate here (and to be clear, I am in no way condoning the post you quoted) Somer's proposal should never have been approved in the first place because the bonus isk isn't what makes this a case of RMT, it is the fact that an in-game service was being offered for using the referral link.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#675 - 2014-08-20 03:43:07 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
Let's be realistic, regardless of what the CCP verdict was on this case, SOMER was never going to be allowed to survive. The community demanded their pound of flesh, and that's what they got. Although some won't be happy until people have been burnt at the stake.


Sadly seems to be a fair amount of "can't manage to become a success so can't stand to see others become a success" behind a good bit of the attacking of somer, don't really know enough about what somer does behind the scenes as to whether they were in the wrong or not or brought it on themselves or not but have noticed the efforts some have gone to in an effort to bring somer down with poorly hidden agendas of their own.

There's enough that isn't behind the scenes to make what they did pretty clearly and unequivocally wrong under the EULA.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#676 - 2014-08-20 03:45:29 UTC
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
Now let's watch the PLEX market unravel.

The PLEX market will be fine.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#677 - 2014-08-20 03:47:19 UTC
Hey, just wanted to post a thank you to the ccp community team.

I for one held a simple stance: either everyone gets to RMT or no one does. No favoritism in eve. I an very happy to see ccp's quick and effective resolution of this situation.

So again, thank you.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#678 - 2014-08-20 03:48:34 UTC
Nimrod78 wrote:
If proven to be true, this is another scandal, Somerblink RMTing. That would mean Somerblink and Co cheated, manipulated outcomes of blinks and winners to benefit them because when it comes to real money, people get weird and would do anything to keep making money. Somerblink defraued people who played on their site and your game was the vehicle that they used to perpetrate their activities. They have cheated the community and CCP. I am not a lawyer, but I would say that this is fraud and the numbers involved are astronomical. I have played Somerblink over the years and have seen some shady/questionable things. Whenever someone is found guilty, the punishment usually includes restitution. Other players and myself that have played with large sums of isk should be compensated. At least the amount of tokens and 5% of deposited funds should be rewarded to all players. Be assured that Somblink's coffers can take the hit.

You have to ask yourself at what point will/would Somerblink start changing the dynamics of our game? Just like the giant corporations in the real world, they are not too big to fail. Shut them down.


SOMER Blink have always had the right to defraud you in-game via any legal, in-game means, such as tricking you into participating in lotteries (honest or dishonest).

In game theft is not fraud. Other actions may, however, be a breach of EULA rules related to RMT.


DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:



Your catlet looks tasty.


Darn you Sabriz, I literally cannot call cats anything other then catlets anymore, my girlfriend feels the same way, and it's making me crazy :P



Changing vocabulary is just one of the griefing-related services I offer.

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Xenuria
#679 - 2014-08-20 03:50:53 UTC
I am shocked and overjoyed that things turned out this way.
I didn't exactly get along with somer apparently I asked too many questions. As it turns out I was asking all the right questions.


James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#680 - 2014-08-20 03:51:09 UTC
Dolly Darko wrote:
I wanted to thank CCP actually. I enjoy two things in EVE, Wormholes and Blink. You are ruining both. Thanks.

Somerset Mahm ruined blink.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)